Points of Blue

Prestwich_Blue said:
At least 4 were Euro away regulars that I know of.

There was some confusion as to whether it was a club requirement, a UEFA one or just a local one.
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My understanding is that the club have recruited the person who introduced this brilliant wheeze at the Swamp. Clearly the feeling is what works there must be right for our club too.
Personally I think it made sense in Kiev as, at £4.50, all the tickets would have sold out in the first morning so people can collect the points.
I can also see the sense, to some extent when we have limited allocations. However I'm very much against traipsing my family half way across Paris and wasting my time queuing for a ticket when we could be taking in the culture of the Louvre. But we're football fans so we should be treated like second class citizens.
Wouldn't it be practical for the person who bought them to collect them?

Why didn't they do it for Bournemouth away?
Are they going to make corporate attend the ticket event, or just the plebs?
Why can't we show our travel arrangements and collect them at the ground?

These are just a few of the points that need to be raised on this issue.

As regards the 'points whores' as some so prosaically call them, what's being done about the industrial points scamming?
 
jrb said:
Will definitely attend the next meeting.

I appreciate a match is now an event, and as such drink and food are priced accordingly.

Having purchased 2 bottles of 500mil water for the sum of £5, or £2.50 each, on derby day, and due to my job in the wholesale trade, I can tell everyone each of those bottles of water should actually cost the club less than 50p to buy.(bought by the case/pallet load) If they aren't, then the club is getting them from the wrong supplier. :-) IS THAT £2.50 PRICE ACCEPTABLE?
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Knowing what you know why did you pay it then?
 
Was the future of PoB discussed? Will it be a regular thing, or ad hoc?

I think a supporters lobby is needed at the club, and for all the good 1894, CityWatch, Supporters Clubs etc do I'm not sure they are best placed for this sort of role.
 
squirtyflower said:
Knowing what you know why did you pay it then?
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I knew somebody was going to ask that predictable question. Didn't think it was going to be you, Squirty. ;-)

It was the choice between a beer or 2 bottles of water. I was thirsty after helping with the display from 9.30am onwards. That aside, thirsty or not, a bottle of 500ml water costing less than 50p wholesale, shouldn't be sold for £2.50. Agreed? Taking away your allegiance to the club.
 
jrb said:
I knew somebody was going to ask that predictable question. Didn't think it was going to be you, Squirty. ;-)

It was the choice between a beer or 2 bottles of water. I was thirsty after helping with the display from 9.30am onwards. That aside, thirsty or not, a bottle of 500ml water costing less than 50p wholesale, shouldn't be sold for £2.50. Agreed? Taking away your allegiance to the club.
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I wouldn't buy water if it had been 50p mate. Nothing to do with allegiances, more to do with common sense.
It comes out of the tap free, I really begrudge paying for it anywhere
 
I think pretty much all of the current issues I feel are issues were covered there - well done to all whom attended. Let's hope the club take heed and don't just file the minutes in the bin.
 
well done to all for getting this off the ground again. at 1894 we weren't aware it was happening only because we don't come on here every day and must've missed it. however from someone who attended meetings previously at POB with the likes of steve knott, mark bittner, Vicky kloss etc there this needs to be a regular fixture.

so the club aren't there. that doesn't matter. it means the club cannot force the conversation down lines over their choosing as they do with their own occasional surveys when they drag people in from city voice and pay them to agree with everything they say. these meeting should go ahead using this format and an open invite sent to the club and whether its someone at high level or right down low that comes its then the ball is in their court to attend. it means it's the fans that have opened the door to communication and if the club don't take it then they can't complain if fans protest publicly against them. if they don't come document the minutes and send to danny and lisa anyway and then everyone knows they ARE being sent it. sooner or later they will realise that all the main shapers and reflectors of public opinion are at these meetings and they will HAVE to send someone down because for all the spin and website guff they cannot beat grass roots ideas and City fans won't be took advantage of.

well done to the king of the kippax crowd especially steve and col, who do these things not for attention but because it needs doing.

1894 will attend the next one and hopefully representatives from the mcfcsc, the disabled supporters association, canal st blues, mcfcforum, citywatch and whoever else has a voice can get involved.

and this is why it's important - with the 1894 statement about doing banners we said we wee against a walk out AT THIS STAGE as we didn't want to split the support. points of blue is a way of getting the various voices in our support together and agreeing on policy and principle and agreeing on what are the various "trigger points" that make fans snap. then if any of these groups make a statement they can do so knowing they have the full back up of the other parts of the City support.

we then have more chance of persuading the club to take note because we'll be speaking with one voice.
 
Also the said gentleman was in Kiev, has he suggested the system, so he can have a freebie ?
Poacher turned gamekeeper cheery Chisholm, once he used to nick us all , now he's stuffing us with his hair brained schemes
You couldn't make it up

Oh and why were at it, those that think there will be more tickets, FORGET IT, the staff will struggle to deal with 1400 tickets let alone 2400.
 
jrb said:
Will definitely attend the next meeting.

I appreciate a match is now an event, and as such drink and food are priced accordingly.

Having purchased 2 bottles of 500mil water for the sum of £5, or £2.50 each, on derby day, and due to my job in the wholesale trade, I can tell everyone each of those bottles of water should actually cost the club less than 50p to buy.(bought by the case/pallet load) If they aren't, then the club is getting them from the wrong supplier. :-) IS THAT £2.50 PRICE ACCEPTABLE?
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Who sets the price, the club or the outsourced caterer? I would guess he latter.
 
moomba said:
Was the future of PoB discussed? Will it be a regular thing, or ad hoc?

I think a supporters lobby is needed at the club, and for all the good 1894, CityWatch, Supporters Clubs etc do I'm not sure they are best placed for this sort of role.
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Yes it was. Obviously it used to meet face-to-face with club officials but that's gone since Soriano took over. Steve Parish has been trying for ages to resurrect the meetings but to no avail so he decided to have a meeting of the group without the club but made Danny Wilson & Lisa Eaton aware of what we were doing.

We're hoping it will be a regular thing and there's another meeting pencilled in for May, just after the end of the season.
 
In case anyone's interested, here are the minutes from the last meeting a couple of weeks ago;
Points of Blue, 17th May, 2016, Lass o’ Gowrie.


Acknowledgement but no response from club to previous minutes (22nd March 2016)


Points of Blue


Following the report of the government’s Expert Working Group on Football Supporter Ownership and Engagement, is the recommendation on supporter liaison precisely the role Points of Blue was fulfilling, viz. “meeting a representative group of supporters at least twice a year to discuss strategic / major issues”? City led the way on this but other clubs now have better liaison (Liverpool and Chelsea were cited as examples). Online surveys / forums (City Voice) are not adequate alternatives.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...n-football-supporter-ownership-and-engagement NB page 22ff.


“The Leagues will recommend that this representative group of supporters includes the club's Supporters Trust. The Leagues will advise clubs that no individuals should be excluded from the meetings without good reason, and, if attendances at these meetings is restricted to a small group of supporters – which is the preference of SD / FSF – a significant proportion of this representative group of supporters should be elected, selected or invited to these meetings in line with basic democratic principles.


“The Group recognises that there is not a 'one size fits all' approach to either clubs or Leagues and that the fans’ appetite for specific information, and to discuss specific issues will vary from club to club. Whilst SD and FSF believe these meetings would be most productive with a tighter, democratically elected representative group of supporters with an interest in strategic and governance issues, the PL and FL support clubs having the flexibility to invite a broad and open group of supporters.


“Senior representatives from the clubs - either club owners, directors and/or senior executive management - should represent the club at these meetings.”



Ticketing issues


Ticket office: general appreciation of improvements but some self-inflicted wounds (one technical, one policy, one a mistake): For Real Madrid at home the site crashing; offering seasoncard holders extra seats for Real Madrid home leg was silly (and those on Cup Scheme didn’t know); mistakenly offering a starting point of 10,000 points for Swansea away should have been picked up.


Seasoncard renewal: some uncertainty among continuous direct debit users as to whether renewal was automatic – wording of information may need greater clarity, and more speedy confirmation of auto-renewal would assist.


Away ticket supply. This has been a source of discontent, especially with the small allocation at Bournemouth. Fears that tickets to “partners” /”sponsors” may go straight to touts – do players return unwanted allocations? Official travel partners seem to offer tickets at an immediate mark-up. Supporters club allocations still an issue, especially if branches are getting tickets but have not been holding meetings.


Ticket pricing. It was felt the PSG home leg prices were too high, and the club got lucky with the first leg result.


Away fans pricing. The Etihad has not been cheap for away fans (one of the dearest), so £30 maximum next season will help fill away end. At the Etihad and elsewhere, would home fans try to buy in away sections to save money? Will concessions still be available? (Swansea away was £45 but half price for concessions.)


Ground:


External catering wagons. Are safety concerns in wet/windy conditions really a problem when they haven’t been before?


93:20 and other corporate sections. Empty seats even at the derby. Were we right about the expected take-up?


Wider issues:


Real Madrid away. Has the club taken up with UEFA on fans’ behalf the behaviour of Spanish police?


Club for long-time supporters: has that idea died?


Last home match: not much to celebrate with CL qualification uncertain, not even the League Cup on display, youth teams no-one really wanted to see – no wonder the ground emptied before the team and manager finally re-appeared.


Public relations: assumed that the club’s policy is not to respond to opinion pieces but seek retractions for untruths. This may not be enough for hostile journalists like Mark Ogden. If it was thought that banning people would only increase the hostility, the hostility seems unabated anyway, so why not ban individuals “pour encourager les autres”?
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