EU referendum

[AlgarveBlu]

I wouldn't attack anyone for their profession of working for the good of the country and in accordance with the law be they teacher, police officer, nurse, bin man or serving member of the forces, equally I would not ever put someone on a pedestal and pretend their views hold any more value on other. I thought the original post that drew ire came across very very like crap I see from Britain first that pretends to be reasonable but hides a nasty agenda. I felt that but I could have been wrong as there is a fine line. But it is pretty offensive to people to be told how their own forefathers felt and what they fought for when it simply isn't true of many many of them.

What is clear is that after the war people wanted a fairer, more equal society that looked after everyone and those masses who voted for Attlee would find the current greed and division in Britain the very anathema of what they stood for

I agree with the thrust of your comments EB, however, mrb's comments were obviously very personal to him and forged from conversations with family members and colleagues in the services and everyone has the right to reply with their rebuttal as you have coherently put there i.e with reasoning and a contrarian interpretation

 

[sir baconface]

Owner of a printing company on R5 earlier arguing because of cheap labour in China, he needs to keep bringing in immigrants on low wages in order to compete.

Now I'm not saying he's typical but how the fcuk would that pan out in the long term?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Perhaps they just didn't think they had a realistic prospect of securing a conviction? Its always difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone has committed murder when its already supposedly been proved beyond reasonable doubt that someone else committed the murder. And the case of the Birmingham bombings there's always going to be a huge doubt over the credibility of any evidence given the way that evidence was manipulated the first time round. Even if they produce, say, compelling new DNA evidence, questions will quite rightly be asked about how that evidence was obtained.

Good points Cibaman

However, the perceived lack of action has further undermined public confidence. The familieis now have some hope.

 

[sir baconface]

... Also, I can see another night of the long knives in the Tory party soon!

Quite possibly. Dave hasn't played this very well.

I believe a serious, gloves-off negotiation well before the referendum might have won real concessions. If so, the "remain" side would be much, much stronger. As it stands, he looks like some weakling who speaks with forked tongue and has abused public office to state a political case.

(Unusual for a politician, I know.)

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Or like a Labour voter choosing between some cnut who pisses away taxpayers' money or some no-hoper you've never heard of.

Gidiot and BlowJo are not in Labour.

 

[dickie davies]

Quite possibly. Dave hasn't played this very well.

I believe a serious, gloves-off negotiation well before the referendum might have won real concessions. If so, the "remain" side would be much, much stronger. As it stands, he looks like some weakling who speaks with forked tongue and has abused public office to state a political case.

(Unusual for a politician, I know.)

A Tory politician said on Sunday's ITV political show that no matter which way the vote goes, Cameron's position is untenable as he has lied and lied again

I did like the EU rebate explanation from Iain Duncan Smith when he said, if you give me £250, I keep it for a year, then only give you £180 of it back and I tell you how you must spend it

 

[2sheikhs]

If we vote to leave, I think the it will effect Germany more than us. They'll make some empty threats but won't follow up on them because our retaliation would finish them.

 

[Mike N]

Let's remember that the only reason we are having this referendum is that Cameron was unable to control his back benchers. This referendum was called for the good of Cameron and not the good of the country.

 

[Monkfish]

If we vote to leave, I think the it will effect Germany more than us. They'll make some empty threats but won't follow up on them because our retaliation would finish them.

considering their lack of natural resources the German economy is as good as it gets, since the second world war its been run brilliantly even with the obvious problems of reunification. The UK economy is a basket case with all sorts of structural problems, if anybodies 'finishing' anybody its the Germans to us - though admittedly both ourselves and the Germans will be pretty fucked if we leave the EU - they need some of our common sense to counteract the Southern countries

 

[smudgedj]

So the country has treated you and yours as cannon fodder through the ages and with wwII excepted for what exactly? Go sit at your war memorial and contemplate that and stick your sanctimonious preaching up your arse whilst you sit in ss3 nn 451

Out of order that pal.

 

[Helmet Cole]

A Tory politician said on Sunday's ITV political show that no matter which way the vote goes, Cameron's position is untenable as he has lied and lied again

I did like the EU rebate explanation from Iain Duncan Smith when he said, if you give me £250, I keep it for a year, then only give you £180 of it back and I tell you how you must spend it

But what about call the roads in north wales? Surely wed be daft not to keep giving them money.lol

 

[Monkfish]

Let's remember that the only reason we are having this referendum is that Cameron was unable to control his back benchers. This referendum was called for the good of Cameron and not the good of the country.

Just hold on a few more years and all the old white guys would have died... oh Dave

 

[Monkfish]

Out of order that pal.

disagree, op was out of order, merely returning fire

 

[smudgedj]

disagree, op was out of order, merely returning fire

A lot of people are thankful for his ´cannon fodder´ family. However I understand not everyone is, if you feel the need to get personal then you know where he sits.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

A lot of people are thankful for his ´cannon fodder´ family. However I understand not everyone is, if you feel the need to get personal then you know where he sits.

I am very thankful to him and people like him, please go visit him in his seat . Please. Go tell him what you really think....

 

[Helmet Cole]

Haha. Didn't know what all this was about until I hit 'show ignored content'. Don't rise to it smudgedj, the lad is a bulb.

 

[smudgedj]

Haha. Didn't know what all this was about until I hit 'show ignored content'. Don't rise to it smudgedj, the lad is a bulb.

I know, it´s this magical internet thing, It has the ability to transform people into these big, brave, hard individuals. Take it away from them and they melt away into the cowardly, insignificant and anonymous little boys that they really are.

 

[SWP's back]

Gidiot and BlowJo are not in Labour.

Wow. You're dead clever and that.

 

[SWP's back]

Let's remember that the only reason we are having this referendum is that Cameron was unable to control his back benchers. This referendum was called for the good of Cameron and not the good of the country.

Take a look at how many votes UKIP and the Tories received. Both had a referendum in their manifestos.

Also look at the polling data. Around half the population want out. That's why we are having this referendum.

If Labour were more popular there wouldn't be one. But they didn't offer the chance of one and lost votes to UKIP and the Tories because of that.

 

[SWP's back]

So the country has treated you and yours as cannon fodder through the ages and with wwII excepted for what exactly? Go sit at your war memorial and contemplate that and stick your sanctimonious preaching up your arse whilst you sit in ss3 nn 451

Arsehole.