EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Lancet Fluke said:
I still think it was odd that when it was announced we were going forward with the referendum, he spent three days supposedly agonising over which side he was going to support but now it seems he has absolutely no doubts and remaining would be terrible. I doubt he did anything in those three days other than agonise over which side he needed to support to give himself the best chance of becoming prime minister. In that sense I think he chose well, shame I think he has let himself and the whole country down just to help achieve that one selfish aim. The man is a narcissist IMO.
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Around half of the country disagrees with you
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You've clearly not read The Telegraph today then where Norman Lamont has penned a great article showing that being outside the EU has little downside. EU tariffs are very low and are therefore little bar to trade involving non members. Not only that but trade between the EU and major non-member gas boomed while trade between the UK and EU has largely stagnated.
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Tariffs may be low , but they are still there, and as non-members we would have to pay them.
If trade between the EU and major non-members is booming then why would we want to leave an organisation ,of which we are members ,in order to trade with the very same non-members with which the EU are so successfully trading ? Only after leaving , we would instead be in competition with the EU for the very same trade which we already have as members of the EU.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
Tariffs may be low , but they are still there, and as non-members we would have to pay them.
If trade between the EU and major non-members is booming then why would we want to leave an organisation ,of which we are members ,in order to trade with the very same non-members with which the EU are so successfully trading ? Only after leaving , we would instead be in competition with the EU for the very same trade which we already have as members of the EU.
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Ermm. That's not how it works.

We are already in competition with our European cousins for said trade.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
As I said, I think he's made a great decision in terms of his own career.
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He's always been the poster boy for euroscepticism. He promised to be a good boy to get the Tory support to run as Mayor. He's simply returned to his roots.

One can be a fan of Europe and not want to be part of an increasingly Federal European super state.

I know you said it's just your opinion but I think it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say he's betrayed his real thoughts. If he had backed the remain campaign then I'd agree with you.
 
When you start attacking personalities, the argument is lost, be it Johnson, Cameron, Corbyn or whoever. We have alliances between Cameron and Corbyn FFS,
Johnson and Dennis Skinner, that well known Tory, this is not about point scoring or who's going to be PM.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
Tariffs may be low , but they are still there, and as non-members we would have to pay them.
If trade between the EU and major non-members is booming then why would we want to leave an organisation ,of which we are members ,in order to trade with the very same non-members with which the EU are so successfully trading ? Only after leaving , we would instead be in competition with the EU for the very same trade which we already have as members of the EU.
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Countries don't trade with the EU itself but with its member states. If our export trade with Australia is £5bn then we take that with us if we leave.

The point (which you seem to have missed completely) was that being able to trade freely hasn't really benefited us and having to pay a small tariff to trade with the EU hasn't been any bar to non-members.

We could pay the tariffs for access to the single market within the EU yet not have to pay the much higher cost of membership. In addition we could enter free trade agreements with major trading nations like India, Australia & Canada, who are all Commonwealth members, which would make trade with them easier.
 
SWP's back said:
When did they last back a side that lost?
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This Isn't the normal Sun backing the winning the side this goes back much further Murduch has had it in for Europe for over 40 years. http://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...unsurprising-but-it-has-symbolic-significance

In the past the Sun backing something would be like chopping one of the legs of horse in a horse race. What remains to be seen is how much of an influence the Sun still has in this but of course there are other papers to supporting Brexit no more so than the one which employs Boris. Its going to be an interesting one this but I don't suppose it will make much difference to you being an ex pat?
 
Today's end of day headline from the Australian financial review - Brexit fears wipe 30 billion dollars from the ASX .

Are these drops that you have already had from the pound dropping and the market going or is this what awaits you today. It shows you how tiny the saving is though from Brexit that twice the annual saving that everyone is so proud of can be wiped out in one day in a far away market that only trades partially with the EU. If proportionally the same happens in Europe then the spooking will be real loss of wealth to anyone with shares with pension with investments - that may shift a few votes if the market starts to move, until recently the market assumed stability
 
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