EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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urban genie said:
This sums boris up for me, an opportunist bullshitter that will change his position for his gain and his gain only.



Europe is a double edged sword, dammed if we stay and dammed if we don't, but I still see remaining as a lesser of 2 evils at the momment and the leave campaign have failed to convince me of any different.
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Already explained the video.
 
urban genie said:
This sums boris up for me, an opportunist bullshitter that will change his position for his gain and his gain only.



Europe is a double edged sword, dammed if we stay and dammed if we don't, but I still see remaining as a lesser of 2 evils at the momment and the leave campaign have failed to convince me of any different.
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Well you can't say that for Farage or Daniel Hannon because they are both voting themselves out of a job, as are all the UKIP MEP's.
 
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Continuing the bus analogy, even inners are saying the seats are too hard, the fares too expensive, they'd rather be on a different route and they'll ring the bell every time it's about to stop somewhere they don't like.

Hardly living the dream is it? No wonder they are struggling to sell the concept.


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BLUEMATT23 said:
Yeah I agree. Like I say all the comments on the readers sections are 90% saying "out", but I wouldn't trust this government one bit. They have already cheated by extending the voting period.
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Lol. I take it you don't believe in democracy.

Anyway project SNP continuing from the Brexiters!
 
AlgarveBlu said:
On the first part of your message I will copy and paste on an earlier response I made on that issue you raised :-

So you're quite happy to live under a sovereign and democratic system where results go against the wishes of the eu are ignored?

France referendum 2005 on ratification of the eu constitution - result IGNORED by the EU (Change your own constitution to fit ours)

Irish referendum 2008 on ratification of Lisbon treaty - result IGNORED by EU (try again silly Irish people)

Swiss referendum 2014 to curb inward eu migration - result IGNORED by EU (we're not bitter honest)

Greek referendum 2015 on bailout conditions - result IGNORED by EU (lump it and enjoy)

Dutch referendum 2016 on Ukraine-eu - result will be IGNORED by EU

I'm not sure what the system is in Australia but if it's like Switzerland democracy and referendum on matters are the cornerstone to the countries very being and you're looking at the most prosperous country in Europe -
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Thanks - this aspect of EU having previous for circumventing the instructions of countries speaks to the nakedness of their ambitions and contempt that they have for the citizens (or little people - as they seem to regard us) and should be all that undecided voters need to know to make their minds up
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Get real please, the FTSE fluctuates and has fluctuated every day since Adam was knee high to a grasshopper. You are begining to sound a little desparate. The fluctuation today may well be down to Brexit, who can prove it, if it is, it is a relatively small fluctuation.

Please keep it real. Probably Bang on average over the last three years and well up on five years, but like I say, this proves nothing.

BTW, did you enjoy the game on Saturday? I don't expect you went to today's mauling!
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The fluctuations are not down to the prospect of brexit. The fluctuations are down to the big hedgefunds and speculators shorting prices and taking advantage of the bottlers. All they are doing is just allowing the price to drop so people panic and sell. All they do then is mop up and buy off the panickers on the cheap, rinse and repeat.

If you are savvy, there is a lot of money to be made over the coming weeks! The market as a whole has absolutely no interest in the vote because the actual drivers behind real growth are not affected in any way regardless come June 24th. Every company on the FTSE100 will continue to trade normally under all circumstances. It is fluctuating between people panicking and selling and people making money out of that.

It is fluctuating between people panicking and people making money out of people panicking.
 
dickie davies said:
The only reason I'm considering voting to stay in is that I think if the UK leaves then this will trigger the collapse of the EU and that will bring untold instability and a huge rise of far right fascist groups in mainland Europe
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Understand your logic but struggle to agree it's a valid reason to stay. Either way the Right Wing political factions are already on the March in Europe and they will continue to grow regardless of how the UK votes.

Amongst the many other reasons for leaving, to create space between us and the rise of the right in the EU is another key reason for me wanting to leave.
 
That "out" campaign message was hilarious, particularly the bit about NHS effectiveness.

I mean have any of them been to a continental European hospital? They totally blow ours out of the water yet somehow ours would improve if we left Europe?
 
Jezza has finally appeared after hiding behind the curtains for weeks, to tell us the NHS will be in danger if we leave.
It must be a case of, 'Fuck me, nothing will scare them, throw that in.'
 
mcfc1632 said:
Thanks - this aspect of EU having previous for circumventing the instructions of countries speaks to the nakedness of their ambitions and contempt that they have for the citizens (or little people - as they seem to regard us) and should be all that undecided voters need to know to make their minds up
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The way I see that is, why should one countries referendum sway the eu? In other words why should country X get to force something on the other 27? There are votes in the EU for a reason.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Understand your logic but struggle to agree it's a valid reason to stay. Either way the Right Wing political factions are already on the March in Europe and they will continue to grow regardless of how the UK votes.

Amongst the many other reasons for leaving, to create space between us and the rise of the right in the EU is another key reason for me wanting to leave.
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Is that another far right that doesn't include Gove, Farrage and Johnson?
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Jezza has finally appeared after hiding behind the curtains for weeks, to tell us the NHS will be in danger if we leave.
It must be a case of, 'Fuck me, nothing will scare them, throw that in.'
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I'm pretty sure he's been saying that for week, or at least "Labour" was. But it's no worse than the outers saying stay in will kill the NHS.
 
grunge said:
I'm pretty sure he's been saying that for week, or at least "Labour" was. But it's no worse than the outers saying stay in will kill the NHS.
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No it isn't, you're quiet right, it's just that I'd have though that he'd have picked something a bit more original to predict armageddon upon, the NHS is so last week.
 
urban genie said:
This sums boris up for me, an opportunist bullshitter that will change his position for his gain and his gain only.



Europe is a double edged sword, dammed if we stay and dammed if we don't, but I still see remaining as a lesser of 2 evils at the momment and the leave campaign have failed to convince me of any different.
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I'm still laughing at Bojo the Turk doing a Ryan Giggs. This the political equivalent of shagging his brother's wife. Boris will definitely be the next leader of the Tories!
 
leech said:
That "out" campaign message was hilarious, particularly the bit about NHS effectiveness.

I mean have any of them been to a continental European hospital? They totally blow ours out of the water yet somehow ours would improve if we left Europe?
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Each country funds its own health service and decides what it wants to spend. Good service or bad, it has nothing to do with the EU.

If you want to criticise, it's generally more effective to pick a subject on which you have a modicum of understanding.
 
dickie davies said:
The only reason I'm considering voting to stay in is that I think if the UK leaves then this will trigger the collapse of the EU and that will bring untold instability and a huge rise of far right fascist groups in mainland Europe
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If it's not the UK it will be another 1 of 3 or 4 countries that are banging on the door to have a referendum. UK in or out will make no difference as long as you have Germany making unilateral migration policies that effect the whole of the eu you will just keep feeding the fire of the growth of the right and freedom parties. Then you have the added pressure of internal migration in the eu from the many poorer countries.
 
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