EU referendum

[sir baconface]

So you're saying that good service or bad, this has nothing to do with the EU? Well then what a stupid thing it was for the out campaign to dedicate half of its propaganda video to.

Thanks for backing up my point pal.

Feel free to explain how France's or Spain's (or indeed the UK's) health services are funded by the EU...pal.

 

[cibaman]

I never saw the broadcast though I suggest the Leavers are saying some of the money that currently goes to the EU will be freed up for the NHS!

They're saying that 220% of it will be freed up for the NHS

 

[west didsblue]

I see stock markets across Europe are spooked by the prospect of Brexit, falling by around 2% today. If this continues I can see it influencing peoples voting intention when they start to realise that it could affect their pensions.

 

[EalingBlue2]

There is increasing irony in some of your posts

You have posted more than anyone I would think on this thread and in the main regurgitated the 'facts' that a lot of people on here view to be scare stories - that is their right.

Some on here, including myself, have commented that it seems that, despite there being evidence that the battering of scare stories are driving undecided voters towards Leave, the Remainers are incapable of adapting their approach - it is all they (and in this instance you) seem to have in the locker.

If someone is in a boat heading towards a waterfall what do you sat - " FFS get a grip, get to the side or you could die" or " pop over here now I've got a cheese sandwich for you"

 

[EalingBlue2]

I see stock markets across Europe are spooked by the prospect of Brexit, falling by around 2% today. If this continues I can see it influencing peoples voting intention when they start to realise that it could affect their pensions.

How much is that 2% worth in total? If people have any sense when they see this wealth destroyed and the impact on pensions they may, but it's all getting a bit NRA guns don't kill and any economic bad news is nothing to do with brexit

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

If we leave my view working in finance is that the pound will collapse against the Euro and markets will tumble as they already are doing just on the maybe. If you are close to retirement this will really affect pension funds. When markets collapsed in 2000/2001 it took them 15 years to get back to new highs. Holidays in Europe will become more expensive etc etc

For me immigration is not a huge problem. In my town, we have large population of Polish people and I have yet to be affected in any way whatsoever by this.
The business owners I speak to say they are very good workers. Where's the problem there?

I know some have the view that it's only a matter of time before we suffer the same as France but I think that risk is less than the risk of us starting a mass break up of the European Union. Putin will love it if we vote out.

We have always been a nation who welcomes people and in the main integrate well together.

My personal view is that this will be a real step backwards for us.

What are Ireland going to do? They will have to put up a border. How will that help over there?

Still we live in a free country and everyone is entitled to their own views. I just hope that everyone who does vote thinks about all of the issues and not just one!

I bet Cameron wishes he hasn't agreed to this now!

 

[bluethrunthru]

Cameron didn't agree to this - the arsehole and his advisers were so spooked by the perceived UKIP threat they used this as a tool to garner electoral votes to gain an outright win. They failed to calculate where the UKIP votes going to come and that they were unlikely to turn votes into many seats and completely fell into the old Tory "Eurosceptics" laps coz once he had said he would and won only a small working majority they had his knackers in a vice - which is why he is leaving number 10 win or lose. Busted and flush are 2 words that come to mind.

 

[west didsblue]

How much is that 2% worth in total? If people have any sense when they see this wealth destroyed and the impact on pensions they may, but it's all getting a bit NRA guns don't kill and any economic bad news is nothing to do with brexit

Although 2% is a big one day fall it is insignificant in the scheme of things. What's more concerning is that the market is around 20% below its peak from last year and showing no signs of sustained recovery. I have little doubt that Brexit will have a further negative impact that could take years to recover if it ever does. As an example of a country where the stock market has never recovered is Japan where the index is less than half of its peak which was around 25 years ago.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Although 2% is a big one day fall it is insignificant in the scheme of things. What's more concerning is that the market is around 20% below its peak from last year and showing no signs of sustained recovery. I have little doubt that Brexit will have a further negative impact that could take years to recover if it ever does. As an example of a country where the stock market has never recovered is Japan where the index is less than half of its peak which was around 25 years ago.

A price worth paying some say.................... er right.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

If we leave my view working in finance is that the pound will collapse against the Euro and markets will tumble as they already are doing just on the maybe. If you are close to retirement this will really affect pension funds. When markets collapsed in 2000/2001 it took them 15 years to get back to new highs. Holidays in Europe will become more expensive etc etc

For me immigration is not a huge problem. In my town, we have large population of Polish people and I have yet to be affected in any way whatsoever by this.
The business owners I speak to say they are very good workers. Where's the problem there?

I know some have the view that it's only a matter of time before we suffer the same as France but I think that risk is less than the risk of us starting a mass break up of the European Union. Putin will love it if we vote out.

We have always been a nation who welcomes people and in the main integrate well together.

My personal view is that this will be a real step backwards for us.

What are Ireland going to do? They will have to put up a border. How will that help over there?

Still we live in a free country and everyone is entitled to their own views. I just hope that everyone who does vote thinks about all of the issues and not just one!

I bet Cameron wishes he hasn't agreed to this now!

Excellent comments mate!

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Labour Leaders: 'We should vote Remain but we need to control immigration ...which we can only do if we vote Leave'

That's bollocks. What are you afraid of?? People move countries all the time. Accept you can't control everything all the time, England slash Britain is an attractive nation. Some people want to live here. I for one just don't get this sense of exclusion that the outers have. It's bullshit.

 

[Leech]

Feel free to explain how France's or Spain's (or indeed the UK's) health services are funded by the EU...pal.

Feel free to explain where I said France or Spain (or indeed the UK's) health services are funded by the EU palbud.

I was making fun of the fact that the leave campaign were using an improved health service as their main point of reasoning for leaving the EU. The improved version looked a damn lot like a lot of EU countries' health service to me. Although of course it goes without saying that being in the EU means cheaper imports means heavier consumption by industry means continued growth means increased GDP means more taxes to government means more money to spend on NHS.








































Pal

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

If we leave my view working in finance is that the pound will collapse against the Euro and markets will tumble as they already are doing just on the maybe. If you are close to retirement this will really affect pension funds. When markets collapsed in 2000/2001 it took them 15 years to get back to new highs. Holidays in Europe will become more expensive etc etc

For me immigration is not a huge problem. In my town, we have large population of Polish people and I have yet to be affected in any way whatsoever by this.
The business owners I speak to say they are very good workers. Where's the problem there?

I know some have the view that it's only a matter of time before we suffer the same as France but I think that risk is less than the risk of us starting a mass break up of the European Union. Putin will love it if we vote out.

We have always been a nation who welcomes people and in the main integrate well together.

My personal view is that this will be a real step backwards for us.

What are Ireland going to do? They will have to put up a border. How will that help over there?

Still we live in a free country and everyone is entitled to their own views. I just hope that everyone who does vote thinks about all of the issues and not just one!

I bet Cameron wishes he hasn't agreed to this now!

the majority of people on average wages are affected though, housing and other things are affected swell, and I'm sure the business owners you speak to are thrilled as they more than likely employ these people on very low wages.

i agree in that, but we have never had the levels of immigration we currently have, unstustainable levels imo. 180,000 every year is to many, how long do we have that for ? I'm already seeing the effect where i live, schools having to be built, lack of housing, fields being concreted over. I welcome immigration, but there comes a point where it is just to much.

thats part of why I'm voting out, but thats just my opinion.

 

[BigJoe#1]

They're saying that 220% of it will be freed up for the NHS

Please..... There's nothing I can say to that is there? But if getting it off your chest has helped you then I'm glad to have been a help!

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

the majority of people on average wages are affected though, housing and other things are affected swell, and I'm sure the business owners you speak to are thrilled as they more than likely employ these people on very low wages.

i agree in that, but we have never had the levels of immigration we currently have, unstustainable levels imo. 180,000 every year is to many, how long do we have that for ? I'm already seeing the effect where i live, schools having to be built, lack of housing, fields being concreted over. I welcome immigration, but there comes a point where it is just to much.

thats part of why I'm voting out, but thats just my opinion.

That the beauty of living in a country with a free vote.

I have no problem with your view as at least it has some substance.'I just don't get the ones who are voting out for immigration alone but can't really understand why and can't see any negatives to voting out.

Food will become expense to import, holidays will rocket to Europe, prices of already expensive beer will rise. Passport queues will be longer.

The business owners may well be paying minimum wages and these are in jobs that a lot of our younger workers don't want. Putting Sauce on a lasagne in a food factory for example. Not great for 8 hours!

My barber is a Muslim who came from Pakistan. He is self employed, he is a top bloke apart from being a rag but he likes a good chat about city too.

I get my butties at lunchtime from a shop in Bolton where they work 6am to 10pm with one day off each a week. They are a friendly pair. They too are Muslim.

I was speaking to my taxi driver the other day and he took me home,'was happy to take less than the fare as he thought i was scrambling around.'he was an Iraqi Kurd who we helped when Saddam was running him out of his country. All his family are in different countries.

That's the side of immigration I see.'hard workers who have come here, learnt the language and built their own businesses. I see that as hard work and a plus to our society not a negative.

 

[sir baconface]

Feel free to explain where I said France or Spain (or indeed the UK's) health services are funded by the EU palbud.

I was making fun of the fact that the leave campaign were using an improved health service as their main point of reasoning for leaving the EU. The improved version looked a damn lot like a lot of EU countries' health service to me. Although of course it goes without saying that being in the EU means cheaper imports means heavier consumption by industry means continued growth means increased GDP means more taxes to government means more money to spend on NHS.








































Pal

Who Is claiming that this is their "main point of reasoning for leaving the EU."? Can you point me to any quote?

 

[BigJoe#1]

FFS Sake.... Gideon is blackmailing voters now, that us truely unfucking believable and totally unforgiveable!

Thank fuck he won't be anywhere near No.11 when we vote to get out!

I really really cannot believe it. Totally ashamed by our government! They deserve to be defeated in the referendum and voted out of office.

It's bloody awful I be.lieve and sincerely hope the public will see right through the twat!

 

[smudgedj]

FFS Sake.... Gideon is blackmailing voters now, that us truely unfucking believable and totally unforgiveable!

Thank fuck he won't be anywhere near No.11 when we vote to get out!

I really really cannot believe it. Totally ashamed by our government! They deserve to be defeated in the referendum and voted out of office.

It's bloody awful I be.lieve and sincerely hope the public will see right through the twat!

Oh What´s he said? Was it a positive vision for Britain’s future inside the EU?

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

That the beauty of living in a country with a free vote.

I have no problem with your view as at least it has some substance.'I just don't get the ones who are voting out for immigration alone but can't really understand why and can't see any negatives to voting out.

Food will become expense to import, holidays will rocket to Europe, prices of already expensive beer will rise. Passport queues will be longer.

The business owners may well be paying minimum wages and these are in jobs that a lot of our younger workers don't want. Putting Sauce on a lasagne in a food factory for example. Not great for 8 hours!

My barber is a Muslim who came from Pakistan. He is self employed, he is a top bloke apart from being a rag but he likes a good chat about city too.

I get my butties at lunchtime from a shop in Bolton where they work 6am to 10pm with one day off each a week. They are a friendly pair. They too are Muslim.

I was speaking to my taxi driver the other day and he took me home,'was happy to take less than the fare as he thought i was scrambling around.'he was an Iraqi Kurd who we helped when Saddam was running him out of his country. All his family are in different countries.

That's the side of immigration I see.'hard workers who have come here, learnt the language and built their own businesses. I see that as hard work and a plus to our society not a negative.

I agree mate....I too have no issue with immigration if people move here, work hard and pay their way just like the people you mentioned......the other side to this, is that we are also in the top 5 countries in Europe with our own nationals living in other EU countries...UK have over 1.4mil living aboard in the EU....with countries like Germany only just ahead of us...seems like brits enjoy "freedom of movement" as much as anyone......

 

[BigJoe#1]

Oh What´s he said? Was it a positive vision for Britain’s future inside the EU?

Headlines in many of tomorrow's papers...

If there is a vote to leave there will be a post Brexit Emergency Budget and taxes for everyone will rise...

Talk about blackmail and scare tactics!

The man is fucking evil, blue or no fucking blue!