Predictions on the referendum

[argyle]

Absolute unequivocal bollocks

Lol is it fuck.

You can deny it all you want to make yourself seem highbrow but go on any social media page about the referendum and anti-immigration is the main topic.

 

[argyle]

That first paragraph is, quite frankly, as stupid as it is insulting

It's true.

On nearly every poll, every social media page and every debate, immigration and migrants is the number 1 topic.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

Lol is it fuck.

You can deny it all you want to make yourself seem highbrow but go on any social media page about the referendum and anti-immigration is the main topic.

Just because right wing racists back BREXIT doesn't mean that the majority are right wing racists

It's like saying right wing racists drink tea so everyone who drinks tea hates foreigners...like I said...absolute nonsense

 

[supercity88]

A lot of people in the remain camp are using the recent FTSE performance as a basis to prove economic catastrophe, when the reality is no-one knows for sure what will happen, as there is no comparative precedent.

The only certainty will be uncertainty if we vote leave, however Chippy Boy's comments, albeit mainly conjecture in my view, partly show how entwined we appear to be within the European system, and I feel further integration is more dangerous given the continued expansion of the EU, especially as we, as residents, don't have the proper representation to go with it - individual national values and needs will always come to the fore above political allegiances.

I look at things much more simply. We don't know what will happen if we leave in the short term, or if we remain, in the long term. The risk of economic decline, uncertainty etc from a leave vote is one I do not want to take. When the CEO of my company says he will stop recruitment etc for at least 3-6months then I'd be silly to vote to stay. I value my job and I'm not willing to take a risk on it.

There's no single political party in this country that I feel represents me. Wrestling back power from the EU to our own politicians isn't something that I necessarily think is a good thing. We might then have debate after debate about the next steps - an immigration points system, trade deals etc but it doesn't mean anything will actually get done. The conservative party has fractured with this referendum because of the strong element of MP's who are essentially now "conservative" by name but a halfway house between the tories and UKIP. If we leave that fracture means our elected government will be completely unstable and that's not going to see us make any decisions at a time when we'll need to be bold and quick in our decision making.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Most outers don't care about the economics they care about immigration and hate foreigners.

As such the vast right wing press, who are hammering over the top lies about immigration and migrants, will swing it to the out vote.

(The owners of the right wing press don't give a shit about immigrants they just don't like the E.U. because their laws prevent the owners from buying up every media outlet and creating monopolies).

Most inners don't care about immigration or sovereignty, as they're mostly doley layabouts too stoned to be arsed.
The left wing press threatening armageddon for the economy are saying so because hardly anyone reads their publications.

Just to balance things up a bit.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Most outers don't care about the economics they care about immigration and hate foreigners.

As such the vast right wing press, who are hammering over the top lies about immigration and migrants, will swing it to the out vote.

(The owners of the right wing press don't give a shit about immigrants they just don't like the E.U. because their laws prevent the owners from buying up every media outlet and creating monopolies).

For the most part this post is full on fucking bullshit

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I look at things much more simply. We don't know what will happen if we leave in the short term, or if we remain, in the long term. The risk of economic decline, uncertainty etc from a leave vote is one I do not want to take. When the CEO of my company says he will stop recruitment etc for at least 3-6months then I'd be silly to vote to stay. I value my job and I'm not willing to take a risk on it.

There's no single political party in this country that I feel represents me. Wrestling back power from the EU to our own politicians isn't something that I necessarily think is a good thing. We might then have debate after debate about the next steps - an immigration points system, trade deals etc but it doesn't mean anything will actually get done. The conservative party has fractured with this referendum because of the strong element of MP's who are essentially now "conservative" by name but a halfway house between the tories and UKIP. If we leave that fracture means our elected government will be completely unstable and that's not going to see us make any decisions at a time when we'll need to be bold and quick in our decision making.

Unfortunately it does sound like many people are being intimidated by bullying employers. This should be illegal and possibly might be in some cases. Everyone has the right to vote freely, it's the basis of democracy.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Unfortunately it does sound like many people are being intimidated by bullying employers. This should be illegal and possibly might be in some cases. Everyone has the right to vote freely, it's the basis of democracy.

My employer for one will not be accompanying me to the ballot box to watch me fill in the form.

I assume that this is quite common amongst other employers.

 

[Blue Hefner]

It's true.

On nearly every poll, every social media page and every debate, immigration and migrants is the number 1 topic.

Caring about immigration is one thing, 'hating foreigners' as you stated, is something else altogether

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

My employer for one will not be accompanying me to the ballot box to watch me fill in the form.

I assume that this is quite common amongst other employers.

True, but veiled threats of what they're going to do, including how employee jobs will be at risk, should the decision go against them, will influence many.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Big swing in the ipsos mori poll just released - 53 leave against 47 on a telephone poll and this ones interesting as its previous polls have always had remain around 10 points ahead


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...to-go-before-eu-referendum-vote-a3273141.html

 

[argyle]

For the most part this post is full on fucking bullshit

Spoken like a true outer.

Polls back up what I've said. The main issue that voters care about is immigration and migration.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Most outers don't care about the economics they care about immigration and hate foreigners.

As such the vast right wing press, who are hammering over the top lies about immigration and migrants, will swing it to the out vote.

(The owners of the right wing press don't give a shit about immigrants they just don't like the E.U. because their laws prevent the owners from buying up every media outlet and creating monopolies).

Bollocks. When you say ' most outers ' I'd be interested to know what percentage dont care about the economy and what percentage hate foreigners.

 

[Luck95]

Bollocks. When you say ' most outers ' I'd be interested to know what percentage dont care about the economy and what percentage hate foreigners.

Dont feed it, i learned that ages ago, when someone claims i hate foreigners and am racist for having concerns about immigration i learned to ignore it, do the same, trust me you wont get anywhere.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Dont feed it, i learned that ages ago, when someone claims i hate foreigners and am racist for having concerns about immigration i learned to ignore it, do the same, trust me. you wont get anywhere.

You do realize this entire country was built on immigrants and "foreigners". You're not racist, but misinformed.

 

[Luck95]

You do realize this entire country was built on immigrants and "foreigners". You're not racist, but misinformed.

I know that, i recognize the benefit immigrants bring to the economy, etc. my concern is no control what so ever with the numbers coming in, how we can plan around it? how can we sustain it?

 

[Yaya_Tony]

I know that, i recognize the benefit immigrants bring to the economy, etc. my concern is no control what so ever with the numbers coming in, how we can plan around it? how can we sustain it?

That's crap. There is thousands in Calais, many more risking their lives from Africa to get here. We can afford to have them here, and enjoy a discussion. Fact is the government does have control, Brussels don't "make our laws" and the nation would be fucked without immigrants. Johnson, gove and farage are simply fucking chancers. Opportunistic tossers. Buying into what they spout makes you as even bigger idiot.

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

I look at things much more simply. We don't know what will happen if we leave in the short term, or if we remain, in the long term. The risk of economic decline, uncertainty etc from a leave vote is one I do not want to take. When the CEO of my company says he will stop recruitment etc for at least 3-6months then I'd be silly to vote to stay. I value my job and I'm not willing to take a risk on it.

There's no single political party in this country that I feel represents me. Wrestling back power from the EU to our own politicians isn't something that I necessarily think is a good thing. We might then have debate after debate about the next steps - an immigration points system, trade deals etc but it doesn't mean anything will actually get done. The conservative party has fractured with this referendum because of the strong element of MP's who are essentially now "conservative" by name but a halfway house between the tories and UKIP. If we leave that fracture means our elected government will be completely unstable and that's not going to see us make any decisions at a time when we'll need to be bold and quick in our decision making.

So you are saying you don't believe in democracy and are happy to be ruled by a select group of people you have no ability to deselect? What the hell has happened to our country that we have no belief in our ability to govern ourselves? The only stick we have to prevent politicians and the governing elite from taking more for themselves and their corporate and gentrified friends, sponsors and donors is the ability to vote them out of power. Remove that and the bloated corruption, double standards and self interest that is the EU will go into overdrive.

I completely understand why you feel no party represents you and I hope that if we do vote to leave, the next item on the agenda is "what kind of government do we want". I would strongly suggest that all lobby groups are banned and political party funding is completely reformed to prevent corruption from corporations and self interest groups. The government is elected by the people and it should be accountable to and act in the best interests of the people and not its sponsors, donors and benefactors. If we vote to remain any chance we have to reform our political system is gone.

As many have said the truth is that nobody knows what will happen to Britain should we leave the EU. But if there is a price to pay then surely it's a price worth paying to have control of our country and our future.

 

[argyle]

Bollocks. When you say ' most outers ' I'd be interested to know what percentage dont care about the economy and what percentage hate foreigners.

Lol, many polls have repeatedly shown that the most important issue for those wanting out of the E.U. is immigration.

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

That's crap. There is thousands in Calais, many more risking their lives from Africa to get here. We can afford to have them here, and enjoy a discussion. Fact is the government does have control, Brussels don't "make our laws" and the nation would be fucked without immigrants. Johnson, gove and farage are simply fucking chancers. Opportunistic tossers. Buying into what they spout makes you as even bigger idiot.

It was controlled immigration that suited the needs of the country at those particular moments in time. Unfettered immigration where more and more unskilled people come to Britain is not a good thing. This isn't racist its just bloody common sense. Britain's infrastructure, housing, schools, hospitals, roads etc are able to cope with a finite number of people. Unfettered immigration means our infrastructure will drown beneath the masses of people looking for a better like in liberal Britain. And if we think things are bad now just wait until the living wage hits £9 per hour. Britain will be every immigrants jackpot destination.

Let me stress I'm not against immigration but let's ensure its the right kind of immigration that brings in the right amount of people, who have the right skills, to assist in the growth of Britain.