whp.blue
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Do you have a vote?
I am a life long union member and was never hapoy about the £3 VOTES
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Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout
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I am a life long union member and was never hapoy about the £3 VOTES
I don't understand how Labour do this stuff. Do the Parliamentary party get to vote 'no confidence' in him and then they have to hold another leadership contest? If so, surely the membership will just voted him in again? Or does he need the support of some MPs to even get to the vote by the membership?
Mind you, I think the Blairites have been looking for a reason to get rid of him. Their party membership overwhelmingly voted for him as leader, and the MPs have been looking for an excuse to get rid of him. One of their MPs is asking for Parliament to have a Commons vote to ignore the referendum result. So much for listening to the voters. Democracy eh?
Isn't the vote of no confidence purely advisory? The assumption being that if a Leader receives a vote of no confidence they will do the decent thing and resign?
malg
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I don't mind the fella, but they haven't been a credible opposition. Maybe that's because the Parliamentary party didn't want him so they've seen their arses?If no confidence vote goes against him and someone steps up to challenge him then there will be a new contest (i think that is how it goes),i'm hoping the grass roots see how ineffective he is and vote differently this time,depends who stands against him,i will vote for anyone of the others who put up a good case and looks electable
kaz7
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If that floats you boat, but pretty petty thing to doI will re vote for him when he restands
So will loads of deluded party faithful he won"t be out long
kaz7
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Yes i have a vote,i am a labour party memberDo you have a vote?
I am a life long union member and was never hapoy about the £3 VOTES
mrtwiceaseason
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Just like the EU vote then ?Isn't the vote of no confidence purely advisory? The assumption being that if a Leader receives a vote of no confidence they will do the decent thing and resign?
malg
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Absolutely no idea. Hey, 9 of his Shadow Cabinet have resigned, so I imagine he knows already! Just a matter of whether he says 'you cunts didn't elect me, the membership did' he can then have his own Labour Party referendum on whether he stays as leader. I'm sure they'd respect the wishes of their members, just like they've shown respect for the will of the people in the EU referendum!Isn't the vote of no confidence purely advisory? The assumption being that if a Leader receives a vote of no confidence they will do the decent thing and resign?
malg
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Who do you want?Yes i have a vote,i am a labour party member
What if yer man David Milliband came back from America, would you consider voting for him? I only ask as I mentioned this to a Labour Party member the other day, and he said absolutely not as he reckoned Milliband deserted the party.
hilts
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I don't mind the fella, but they haven't been a credible opposition. Maybe that's because the Parliamentary party didn't want him so they've seen their arses?
I think Corbyn is a perfect example of good intentions and politics do not mix. He stood as a different kind of leader a principled one, people on the right laughed at him, his own mp's never fully backed him. He couldn't be true to his principals but was very uncomfortable telling outright lies so hid or was muted on certain subjects.
He should have stuck to his principles, if your gonna get fucked over regardless you might as well go down with integrity.
kaz7
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I voted for David but sadly Ed won,i don't know who i want yet,i'll wait and see who stands,it might not happen yetWho do you want?
What if yer man David Milliband came back from America, would you consider voting for him? I only ask as I mentioned this to a Labour Party member the other day, and he said absolutely not as he reckoned Milliband deserted the party.
malg
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It would have been interesting if the other Milliband had won first time around. Am I right in thinking it was the union vote that won it for bland Ed, or have I read a lot of uninformed shite?I voted for David but sadly Ed won,i don't know who i want yet,i'll wait and see who stands,it might not happen yet
urban genie
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If no confidence vote goes against him and someone steps up to challenge him then there will be a new contest (i think that is how it goes),i'm hoping the grass roots see how ineffective he is and vote differently this time,depends who stands against him,i will vote for anyone of the others who put up a good case and looks electable
I will vote for someone who looks electable, but has the political messages akin to Corbyn and the labour movement, If a chllenger is from the progress faction, I will have to back Corbyn again, Chukka, Jarvis, Hunt etc would not get my vote.
whp.blue
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I don't understand how Labour do this stuff. Do the Parliamentary party get to vote 'no confidence' in him and then they have to hold another leadership contest? If so, surely the membership will just voted him in again? Or does he need the support of some MPs to even get to the vote by the membership?
Mind you, I think the Blairites have been looking for a reason to get rid of him. Their party membership overwhelmingly voted for him as leader, and the MPs have been looking for an excuse to get rid of him. One of their MPs is asking for Parliament to have a Commons vote to ignore the referendum result. So much for listening to the voters. Democracy eh?
Dont forget last time he couldn"t enough backing to make the ballot paper
kaz7
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Yes the unions voted in Ed,the mp's wanted David,i think we would have won an election with David at the helmIt would have been interesting if the other Milliband had won first time around. Am I right in thinking it was the union vote that won it for bland Ed, or have I read a lot of uninformed shite?
hilts
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I will vote for someone who looks electable, but has the political messages akin to Corbyn and the labour movement, If a chllenger is from the progress faction, I will have to back Corbyn again, Chukka, Jarvis, Hunt etc would not get my vote.
I don't think there is anyone who looks electable and has Corbyns views, that is why he was unfairly ridiculed from the offset. Socialism is dead rightly or wrongly. Middle england don't believe it can work. The grass roots of labour want to pursue it, Corbyn and his allies want to as well, unfortunately a lot of labour mp's see it differently.
It's a strange situation a lot of labour mp's appear to be in the wrong party.
daztrueblue91
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Maybe it is time to introduce compulsory politics lessons into the GCSE curriculum. Or at a minimum reintroduce the 'Life Skills' lessons which will give kids the knowledge of voting, paying taxes and managing bills etc.
I think its vital that the next generation of youngsters are brought up fully aware of the political system and are able to see the difference between sensationalist headlines and the truth. I suppose it could easily be constructed that the teacher would be able to influence the kids future votes, but not more so than the parents or local area already do. It could be taught in a way that just explains the voting system, why people should vote, the influence of the media and the up to date ideologies of political parties.
Personally I voted to remain in the EU because I simply believe that we are stronger when we work co-operatively with other countries. I was also glad that Scotland remained in the UK. I think that immigration could have been solved without leaving the EU. There is no way the EU would have forced Britain to just accept anyone from any EU country and just give them free benefits and healthcare like the media makes out. It would be financially unsustainable for a start. I'm sure an agreement could have easily have been made for Britain to control their borders and limit the amount of people coming into the country without work. I also believe that we should be using immigration to boost the standard of the workforce in Britain. We should use the competition to boost our abilities. However, there is a lack of personal responsibility in this country and the 'immigrants taking all our jobs' argument is just a convenience excuse for people to be lazy. But that is just my opinion. People will disagree as they are entitled to but that was my reason for voting remain.
Yet when I spoke to people who voted I was shocked and surprised for the reasons they voted. There was people who voted to remain just because they disliked Nigel Farage. There was people who voted out because they believed that leaving the EU would save the NHS and would immediately create thousands of jobs for British people and all the immigrants would have to leave. Democracy is a wonderful thing and we are very lucky that we have been born into this society. But people shouldn't abuse the vote or take it for granted. People should have a responsibility to actually understand what they are voting for. I also think that it should be a legal requirement to vote and want to encourage the next generation to vote and maybe education can do that.
I think its vital that the next generation of youngsters are brought up fully aware of the political system and are able to see the difference between sensationalist headlines and the truth. I suppose it could easily be constructed that the teacher would be able to influence the kids future votes, but not more so than the parents or local area already do. It could be taught in a way that just explains the voting system, why people should vote, the influence of the media and the up to date ideologies of political parties.
Personally I voted to remain in the EU because I simply believe that we are stronger when we work co-operatively with other countries. I was also glad that Scotland remained in the UK. I think that immigration could have been solved without leaving the EU. There is no way the EU would have forced Britain to just accept anyone from any EU country and just give them free benefits and healthcare like the media makes out. It would be financially unsustainable for a start. I'm sure an agreement could have easily have been made for Britain to control their borders and limit the amount of people coming into the country without work. I also believe that we should be using immigration to boost the standard of the workforce in Britain. We should use the competition to boost our abilities. However, there is a lack of personal responsibility in this country and the 'immigrants taking all our jobs' argument is just a convenience excuse for people to be lazy. But that is just my opinion. People will disagree as they are entitled to but that was my reason for voting remain.
Yet when I spoke to people who voted I was shocked and surprised for the reasons they voted. There was people who voted to remain just because they disliked Nigel Farage. There was people who voted out because they believed that leaving the EU would save the NHS and would immediately create thousands of jobs for British people and all the immigrants would have to leave. Democracy is a wonderful thing and we are very lucky that we have been born into this society. But people shouldn't abuse the vote or take it for granted. People should have a responsibility to actually understand what they are voting for. I also think that it should be a legal requirement to vote and want to encourage the next generation to vote and maybe education can do that.
malg
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So the last 2 leaders have been voted in against the Parliamentary parties wishes? Quite interesting actually, as you'd think those in Parliament would have a good idea of who was more electable, and let's face it, that's why they're there, to get be in government and not sat on the opposition benches.Yes the unions voted in Ed,the mp's wanted David,i think we would have won an election with David at the helm
whp.blue
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Was just asking because I was curious to see how many people who voted for Corbyn last time would do the same this timeYes i have a vote,i am a labour party member
Lots of Corbyn backers on here don't even have a vote
And as for being petty not really I am doing exactly the same as you voting for who I think will benefit me best and that for me is Corbyn
I have been a union member since I was 16 so I have paid my dues fior 30 odd years and I think that gives me the right for who I feel fit
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Daz_Blue
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Jeremy Corbyn has contacted Jeremy Corbyn to resign ....... Jeremy Corbyn has asked Jeremy Corbyn to reconsider
urban genie
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I don't think there is anyone who looks electable and has Corbyns views, that is why he was unfairly ridiculed from the offset. Socialism is dead rightly or wrongly. Middle england don't believe it can work. The grass roots of labour want to pursue it, Corbyn and his allies want to as well, unfortunately a lot of labour mp's see it differently.
It's a strange situation a lot of labour mp's appear to be in the wrong party.
I don't know, I do like Clive Lewis who holds quite left wing views and his journalistic past makes him very comfortable with media and getting the message across, whether he would want it, is another thing.
David Milliband I doubt would want or care about the job.