well using madchestercity's logic, I shouldn't have even got a vote in the referendum because I voted labour at the last general election,
fwiw, I'm against any re-run of the referendum, it stinks of sour grapes.
on the other hand, if a political party wants to stand on a manifesto of going back into Europe, that's fair enough.
Is there a time limit before article 50 has to be activated?I can see a situation developing and gaining quite a few pairs of legs where a party decided that when elected it won't invoke Article 50, and so we won't actually have left the EU, so no need to try and get back in! Ferrets, skunks, rattlesnakes and politicians! I'd prefer the first three - yer know where yer stand with 'em!
This simple and undeniable fact cannot be reiterated enough.
Unfortunately the "leader" the leave voters chose decided it's too big a fuck up for him to handle.
You could see it on boris' face that day "can't believe there actually were enough morons willing to believe my lies"
Oops, looks like dear nige's decided he wants out of this mess as well.The arrogance and self righteous attitude of the London based 'remainers' knows no bounds...
well using madchestercity's logic, I shouldn't have even got a vote in the referendum because I voted labour at the last general election,
fwiw, I'm against any re-run of the referendum, it stinks of sour grapes.
on the other hand, if a political party wants to stand on a manifesto of going back into Europe, that's fair enough.
I can see a situation developing and gaining quite a few pairs of legs where a party decided that when elected it won't invoke Article 50, and so we won't actually have left the EU, so no need to try and get back in! Ferrets, skunks, rattlesnakes and politicians! I'd prefer the first three - yer know where yer stand with 'em!
Oops, looks like dear nige's decided he wants out of this mess as well.
Don't worry, I am sure you will find some arrogant, self righteous, London based remainer who has the balls to step up and deal with the shit caused by brexit. Your lot certainly won't.
Your lot?Oops, looks like dear nige's decided he wants out of this mess as well.
Don't worry, I am sure you will find some arrogant, self righteous, London based remainer who has the balls to step up and deal with the shit caused by brexit. Your lot certainly won't.
I can see the UK joining the EU again - or only half leaving. There was practically no deatil in the brexit campaign - the only thing they were certain of is knowing they wanted out. Give it 6 months and even the torys could say well we tried to leave but it clearly wont work so we are going to call a general election and go into it seeking a mandate to remain although with continuing efforts to reform the EU. They could win a healthy majority on that sort of ticket. I could very much see that happening especially if there will be no deal on EU freedom of movement. That was one of the only solid commitments and i cant see it being delivered.
For the next PM we have to look further than Brexit and I think only May offers that opportunity. She is the only one who will be able to campaign strongly for leadership without basing her entire campaign on European matters.
Is there a time limit before article 50 has to be activated?
@malg I agree, but I guess it depends on what kind of deal we get, if we end up having to accept freedom of movement in order to access the single market, some may question why we left in the first place, and may prefer we are full members again, I don't think anyone knows how this will pan out.
Clarke is at the no fucks given point of his illustrious life. He's one of the few Tories I respect as he's a bloody good constituency MP who in that capacity does the jobs as it says on the tin.You can see the Ken Clarke stuff here http://news.sky.com/story/1721982/watch-ken-clarke-ridicules-tory-candidates
Sky have justified the broadcast as "being in the public interest". I don't think Ken cares :)
Clarke is at the no fucks given point of his illustrious life. He's one of the few Tories I respect as he's a bloody good constituency MP who in that capacity does the jobs as it says on the tin.
Back on topic. Looks like we might have another female PM after the first ballot.
Yep.Clarke is one of the few Tories I ever respected, dare I say liked, him and Hesseltine always stuck out as being decent sorts, who spoke sense. His words are very telling, he clearly wants May, but it was more anyone bar Gove or Boris, which is understandable from a big europhile.
Still shithouse stuff from Sky, clearly a private chat off camera that should never have aired.