Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

Prestwich_Blue said:
The best thing that could happen is that we get more, smaller parties. The right wing of the Tories go to UKIP, the centre-right of Labour form a new centre-left party plus there's still the Lib-Dems. Maybe the hard and soft left even split.

That will increase the pressure for some sort of PR and will mean permanent coalition governments.
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they cannot form a centre left party as there is nowt left about them, they will find little support from the country who will naturally just choose the tories over them because they will be more or less identical, A soft left centerist party may have a chance but the left and right of labour are doomed
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The best thing that could happen is that we get more, smaller parties. The right wing of the Tories go to UKIP, the centre-right of Labour form a new centre-left party plus there's still the Lib-Dems. Maybe the hard and soft left even split.

That will increase the pressure for some sort of PR and will mean permanent coalition governments.
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its looking like labour will split now, which imo means the tories will more than likely be in power for a good while. ukip could possibly take a lot of labour seats. labour will never get elected with corbyn in charge and such left leaning party now.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The best thing that could happen is that we get more, smaller parties. The right wing of the Tories go to UKIP, the centre-right of Labour form a new centre-left party plus there's still the Lib-Dems. Maybe the hard and soft left even split.

That will increase the pressure for some sort of PR and will mean permanent coalition governments.
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That was my original hope, however my original fear also seems to be coming true. Conservatives happier to sit behind an authoritarian like May and remain in power than splitting off with others better aligned with their politics. Feels like we're just staring down the barrel of a long unchecked and unaccountable Conservative reign, worse, with May at the helm. For some reason I wasn't quite buying the part of her little speech about making the country work for the many rather than the privileged few.
 
Oh dear this is gonna end up in more mess the NEC have voted 17-15 to have a secret ballot, whuch is against party etiquette. Also Corbyn who is an NEC member has been asked to leave bit has said he wishes to remain for the vote, and had refused to leave as it's secret, but has now gone outside, now the PLP lot can bully the rest of the NEC without accountability, and vice versa possibly, all a bit tits up.
 
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adrianr said:
That was my original hope, however my original fear also seems to be coming true. Conservatives happier to sit behind an authoritarian like May and remain in power than splitting off with others better aligned with their politics. Feels like we're just staring down the barrel of a long unchecked and unaccountable Conservative reign, worse, with May at the helm. For some reason I wasn't quite buying the part of her little speech about making the country work for the many rather than the privileged few.
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That speech was all about her grabbing the centre because after the referendum we are back to where we were. At the moment there is no party in the centre and if she can appeal to centre thinking voters and also appease the right of the party she has basically cemented Tory rule for a decade.

No large group of voters is ever going to vote for Corbyn's lunacy no matter his mandate in his own party nor a wet lettuce Lib Dem or anyone else sitting on the fringes of the hard left. That leaves UKIP and their only strong policy really was to leave the EU and we have.
 
It is going to implode tonight, if Corbyn ends up on the ballot paper the parliamentary side of the party will fall away. If he doesn't then they risk uproar in the party. Get your popcorn ready!
 
inbetween said:
It is going to implode tonight, if Corbyn ends up on the ballot paper the parliamentary side of the party will fall away. If he doesn't then they risk uproar in the party. Get your popcorn ready!
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So the NEC had held a vote on whether to have a secret ballot about the vote on the leadership ballot. You really would struggle to make this stuff up.

But it currently looks like he's going to have to get the nominations, which almost certainly means he's fucked. Seems he didn't endear himself to his fellow NEC members.

He just wants to be leader of the Labour Party and play politics rather than having any desire to actually exercise power.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
So the NEC had held a vote on whether to have a secret ballot about the vote on the leadership ballot. You really would struggle to make this stuff up.

But it currently looks like he's going to have to get the nominations, which almost certainly means he's fucked. Seems he didn't endear himself to his fellow NEC members.

He just wants to be leader of the Labour Party and play politics rather than having any desire to actually exercise power.
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Irispective of your view of Corbyns ability to win a GE do you think the secret ballot and behaviour of the NEC is, as many members will if a big fuck you and a slap in the face of the labour party democracy, or it's fine the proccess they are using because they want no accountability.

If they want him gone then vote openly and respectfully to the membership
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
Removing him from the ballot because he may win is utter farce
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He's not going to be removed though. He'll have to get the same minimum number of nominations as any challenger. If he can't get 50 MP's to support him then he really has no mandate to be leader.

He has to have the trust and confidence of three groups - his MP's, his party members and the electorate in general. He clearly hasn't got the first and the recent local elections suggest he really hasn't had much impact on the electorate. Having the backing of a couple of hundred thousand party members is not a mandate.
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
Removing him from the ballot because he may win is utter farce
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That is just not true though is it?
Also people need to renember he never had enough backing to stand the first time around
Until some knobheads felt the need to be way too pc That came back and kicked them in the arse and they wont let that happen again
 
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Much as I dislike him, I cant help but think he ought to be on the ballot. It just seems to be fairer. He could end up having people feel sympathetic to him.

It looks as if this is now a fight to the finish. If he's not allowed on the ballot there will be uproar. I can only think that the anti Corbyn MPs have decided that a split is inevitable and its now a question of making sure they're in the strongest position when that happens. Takeover the front bench, become the official opposition. When the split takes place, if they can hang on to more than half of the Labour MP's they can remain as the official opposition. But will over 50% of MPs follow them?
 
Reports that Watson has been whispering in nec members ears or 'a watson stitch up' as a reporter called it.

If true that will be 2 labour leaders he has stitched up after turning on Blair, treacherous little shit ain't he ;-)

a reccess now on, apparently watson is being heavy handed with those still in favour of letting jc stand.

Also it matters not to me now as my CLP has been suspended after, possible vote rigging and bullying been going on (by the right wing ellement I might add).

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ing-11603957#ICID=Android_MENNewsApp_AppShare

It has long been rumour they are trying to get ed balls or another to replace kaufman
 
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He's on the ballot so watsons bullying never worked, I bet eagles wishes she never put up now, as they expected he wpuld be barred
 
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