Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

That is terrible news for the country, that needs a viable opposition now as much as it ever has. Labour are fucking themselves and the country, the PLP are a bunch of self serving cunts who need to leave the party or suck it up.

It is, but unfortunately those that may split/become indepentents have mainly either abstained or voted with the government on a lot of issues, therefore never being a viable opposition anyway. Until the PLP decides what it stands for they will be dissunity, maybe dessection is for the best for some, if they are a good constituency MP then they will win as an independent anyway, if not then someone chosen locally will replace them and the party may unite again. The PLP's reasoning has alway been about their position as an MP, but their actions may have doomed them to lose that.
 
Looks like The Mirror believes it too!

It comes as 44 female Labour MPs called on Jeremy Corbyn to do more to prevent abuse and threats

This is what the Labour Party has come too. Abuse, and threats and police advice on safety. Not very socialist is it?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/angela-eagle-cancels-public-advice-8466843

Abuse is all over twitter from both side and in general, Don't know how many more time jezza can say on air people need to be respectful, then you get Labour MP's stiring up shit with childish tweets



Now abbot is not everybodies cup of tea, but they are work collegues ffs and such a tweet is only aimed at getting a responce.

All very embarrassing by both side, and all as bad as each other.
 
Seen her on Marr last weekend, and what a shite politician. Yer man Owen was on straight after her and it looked like a professional following a piss poor warm up act. There is no way that Eagle woman has got where she is on merit, not a hope in fucking hell. Labour need to forget this nonsense with Corbyn and hold a root and branch investigation into how someone as inept as Eagle not only managed to get elected, but how on fuck's name she could challenge for the leadership.

She was parachuted in to stop a local left winger get the nomination, bit like lucy powel, who was not the local clp's choice after tony lloyd.The story is on the internet link below

http://wire.novaramedia.com/2016/07/how-angela-eagle-got-to-be-mp-for-wallasey/
 
Political developments in Britain appear more than a little confusing at the moment.

The parliamentary Labour party is in open revolt against a leader recently elected with the biggest mandate in the party’s history. Most Labour MPs call Jeremy Corbyn “unelectable”, even though they have worked tirelessly to undermine him from the moment he became leader, never giving him a chance to prove whether he could win over the wider British public.

Now they are staging a leadership challenge and trying to rig the election by denying tens of thousands of Labour members who recently joined the party the chance to vote. If the MPs fail in the coming election, as seems almost certain, indications are that they will continue their war of attrition against Corbyn, impervious to whether their actions destroy the party they claim to love.

Meanwhile, the Guardian, the house paper of the British left – long the preferred choice of teachers, social workers and Labour activists – has been savaging Corbyn too, all while it haemorrhages readers and sales revenue. Online, the Guardian’s reports and commentaries about the Labour leader – usually little more than character assassination or the reheating of gossip and innuendo – are ridiculed below the line by its own readers. And yet it ploughs on regardless.

The Labour party ignores its members’ views, just as the Guardian ignores its readers’ views. What is going on?

Strangely, a way to understand these developments may have been provided by a scientific philosopher named Thomas Kuhn. Back in the 1960s he wrote an influential book called the Structure of Scientific Revolutions. His argument was that scientific thought did not evolve in a linear fashion, as scientific knowledge increased. Rather, modern human history had been marked by a series of forceful disruptions in scientific thought that he termed “paradigm shifts”. One minute a paradigm like Newtonian mechanics dominated, the next an entirely different model, like quantum mechanics, took its place – seemingly arriving as if out of nowhere.

Importantly, a shift, or revolution, was not related to the moment when the previous scientific theory was discredited by the mounting evidence against it. There was a lag, usually a long delay, between the evidence showing the new theory was a better “fit” and the old theory being discarded.

The reason, Kuhn concluded, was because of an emotional and intellectual inertia in the scientific community. Too many people – academics, research institutions, funding bodies, pundits – were invested in the established theory. As students, it was what they had grown up “knowing”. Leading professors in the field had made their reputations advancing and “proving” the theory. Vast sums had been expended in trying to confirm the theory. University departments were set up on the basis that the theory was correct. Too many people had too much to lose to admit they were wrong.

A paradigm shift typically ocurred, Kuhn argued, when a new generation of scholars and researchers exposed to the rival theory felt sufficiently frustrated by this inertia and had reached sufficiently senior posts that they could launch an assault on the old theory. At that point, the proponents of the traditional theory faced a crisis. The scientific establishment would resist, often aggressively, but at some point the fortifications protecting the old theory would crumble and collapse. Then suddenly almost everyone would switch to the new theory, treating the old theory as if it were some relic of the dark ages.

Science and politics are, of course, not precisely analagous. Nonetheless, I would suggest this is a useful way of understanding what we see happening to the British left at the moment. A younger generation no longer accepts the assumptions of neoliberalism that have guided and enriched an elite for nearly four decades.

Ideas of endless economic growth, inexhaustible oil, and an infinitely adaptable planet no longer make sense to a generation looking to its future rather than glorying in its past. They see an elite with two heads, creating an illusion of choice but enforcing strict conformity. On the fundamentals of economic and foreign policy, the Red Tories are little different from the Blue Tories.

Or at least that was the case until Corbyn came along.

Corbyn and his supporters threaten a paradigm shift. The old elites, whether in the Labour parliamentary party or the Guardian editorial offices, sense the danger, even if they lack the necessary awareness to appreciate Corbyn’s significance. They will fight tooth and nail to protect what they have. They will do so even if their efforts create so much anger and resentment they risk unleashing darker political forces.

Corbyn’s style of socialism draws on enduring traditions and values – of compassion, community and solidarity – that the young have never really known except in history books. Those values seem very appealing to a generation trapped in the dying days of a deeply atomised, materialist, hyper-competitive world. They want change and Corbyn offers them a path to it.

But whatever his critics claim, Corbyn isn’t just a relic of past politics. Despite his age, he is also a very modern figure. He exudes a Zen-like calm, a self-awareness and a self-effacement that inspires those who have been raised in a world of 24-hour narcissism.

In these increasingly desperate times, Cobyn’s message is reaching well beyond the young, of course. A paradigm shift doesn’t occur just because the young replace the old. It involves the old coming to accept – however reluctantly – that the young may have found an answer to a question they had forgotten needed answering. Many in the older generation know about solidarity and community. They may have been dazzled by promises of an aspirational lifestyle and the baubles of rampant consumption, but it is slowly dawning on them too that this model has a rapidly approaching sell-by date.

Those most wedded to the neoliberal model – the political, economic and media elites – will be the last to be weaned off a system that has so richly rewarded them. They would rather bring the whole house crashing down than give Corbyn and his supporters the chance to repair it.
http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2...xfs&st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/CPPVGD9C6I
 
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Fuck me, straight out of Private Eye! If that's all true then it's no surprise she's shite.

The CLP can choose whether or not to select a candidate on the Labour Party's panel of approved candidates. However, should the CLP select a candidate not on the panel its decision is subject to the National Executive Committee retrospectively satisfying itself that the candidate reaches the standard required to join the panel.

In this and other circumstances the NEC has exercised its power to block a CLPs initial choice of candidate, which has on occasion proved controversial,
Blair and Brown once said no more of the local partys decideing their own favs and started having the at the time more blairite NEC force candidates onto CLPs, which has resulted in the shambles we now have, careerist labour MPs with fuck all connection to their constituency who were straight out of Uni and worked as advisors or interns at westminster.
They have no empathy or understanding of the problems of their constituents, and are just looking at their own jobs.
Thats why the new MPs veer more towards jezza, there was a long hard fought battle with new selections by the unions and CLPs to get the new blood to be more in tune with the party and more people out side of westminster life, hence why Cat Smith, Clive Lewis, Richard Burgon etc were able to get the nomination.
Some of the shit going on in gortons CLP is to do with this, a campaign from the right of the party to bully the left as Kaufmans gonna stand down and they want a parachute candidate not a local councilor or member to get the nomination, (Ed fucking Balls has been muted and if that happens shit will hit the fan)
 
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How ridiculous is this labpur nonsemse gonna get, ST Helens MP Conor McGinn tweeted corbyn last night asking if he was gonna ring his dad to to tell him to tell his son off, now he has wrote an article and shared it claiming a person from the whips office told him corbyn was but didn't and he is sicl of corbyns hypocrisy when he was using his dad to bully him


The phone call never happened, he cannot confirm corbyn ever intended to call his dad and is getting roundly taken the piss out of now for what looks like something a 10 year old would come out with.
I despair at the party at present, but it seems PLP bullying and harrasment of jezza has failed, then the coup, now the leadership election looks like they will lose also, their last thing is to batter him as a bully and nasty man, even though he keeps saying the online abuse must stop.
can we not have thelection now and get it over with 6 more weeks of this shite is not needed.
 
Watching the goings on in the Labour party at the moment is like observing the death throes of a marriage that was always fractious but has finally completely broken down. Both sides know its over, there's no possibility of a reconciliation, but both want to keep the house.

They need to go their separate ways. It will mean splitting the vote at the next general election, but that's a lost cause anyway. Let both factions develop their own policies. Lets see how Corbyn does leading a smaller group of MPs that are genuinely behind him. Lets see if the rebels can form a centre party without relying on union money. Eventually one faction will prove that it carries the support of the public. Who knows, they may eventually learn to peacefully co-exist.
 
I think the Labour Party will rue the day they chose the wrong Milliband, I'm a Tory but I'm getting mildly concerned that the way things are going the country will not have a viable opposition for many years, that's a disaster for democracy, they need to sort their shit out quickly.
 
I think the Labour Party will rue the day they chose the wrong Milliband, I'm a Tory but I'm getting mildly concerned that the way things are going the country will not have a viable opposition for many years, that's a disaster for democracy, they need to sort their shit out quickly.

On milliband, no they won't membership was dropping and unions considering pulling out if he was leader, thats why tusc appeared, if Dave had been in they would still have lost the elction.
 
Watching the goings on in the Labour party at the moment is like observing the death throes of a marriage that was always fractious but has finally completely broken down. Both sides know its over, there's no possibility of a reconciliation, but both want to keep the house.

They need to go their separate ways. It will mean splitting the vote at the next general election, but that's a lost cause anyway. Let both factions develop their own policies. Lets see how Corbyn does leading a smaller group of MPs that are genuinely behind him. Lets see if the rebels can form a centre party without relying on union money. Eventually one faction will prove that it carries the support of the public. Who knows, they may eventually learn to peacefully co-exist.

If the NEC election goea the way expected it woll be a majority of left wing Corbyn leaning members so I would say the chances of mandatory reselection being passed, then the PLP will have to decide if they want to split for the rest of this parliament will they be the labour candidate next election anyway? If not and the new candicates come in and back the leadership whether they win a GE or not expect the next parliamnet Labour party to be unified one, either one way or the other
 
On milliband, no they won't membership was dropping and unions considering pulling out if he was leader, thats why tusc appeared, if Dave had been in they would still have lost the elction.
I dont agree, its not Labour memberships or unions that win General Elections its middle England, a place David appealed infinitely more than his brother. No one can say for sure how an election would have gone but I firmly believe that David would not have presided over a result considerably more disastrous than even Gordon bloody Brown managed.
 
On milliband, no they won't membership was dropping and unions considering pulling out if he was leader, thats why tusc appeared, if Dave had been in they would still have lost the elction.

We will have to disagree then, you cant predict what would have happened anymore than I can but as Bluemoonmatt rightly says, he would have had considerable support from middle England, the place that traditionally decides who forms the next Government once the nailed on die hards from both sides have cast their vote. Mondeo Man according to Blair..!
 
We will have to disagree then, you cant predict what would have happened anymore than I can but as Bluemoonmatt rightly says, he would have had considerable support from middle England, the place that traditionally decides who forms the next Government once the nailed on die hards from both sides have cast their vote. Mondeo Man according to Blair..!

He may have been able to do that, but the party would have been in disunity at the time earlier than now, I remember the husting and plenty of members and affiliates were ready to ditch it if he won, membership was on the wane and interest in going out campaigning was dissapearing from a lot of people. He may have been the darling of the media, but this disenfranchment that has led to todays problems would have just come sooner, his and progresses brand of politics had exhausted a lot of members good will and enthusiasm, David millibamd would have wooed middle england, but would still have lost scotland, the campaign the tories run on fear still would have won unfortunately.

Labour problem is that the years of parachuting in people on a matey basis into safe seats has led to a detatched set of MPs, who just come across as vacant and self absorbed, churning out scripted soundbites from the alister campbell book of bollocks, and not really saying anything, at least the tories are what they are know it and don't hide it, too many labour lot say they are left or socialist leaning, but then don't back it up in parliamentry votes
 
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He may have been able to do that, but the party would have been in disunity at the time earlier than now, I remember the husting and plenty of members and affiliates were ready to ditch it if he won, membership was on the wane and interest in going out campaigning was dissapearing from a lot of people. He may have been the darling of the media, but this disenfranchment that has led to todays problems would have just come sooner, his and progresses brand of politics had exhausted a lot of members good will and enthusiasm, David millibamd would have wooed middle england, but would still have lost scotland, the campaign the tories run on fear still would have won unfortunately.

I hear what you say but he would not have needed Scotland, any more than the Tories do, I thought he talked a lot of sense and would have made a good PM, the party may have had its ups and downs as they all do but they would have been negated as labour would have been in power in my opinion, not on the brink as they are now, with almost zero chance of forming a government for at least the next 10 years...!
 

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