Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

urban genie said:
The CLP can choose whether or not to select a candidate on the Labour Party's panel of approved candidates. However, should the CLP select a candidate not on the panel its decision is subject to the National Executive Committee retrospectively satisfying itself that the candidate reaches the standard required to join the panel.

In this and other circumstances the NEC has exercised its power to block a CLPs initial choice of candidate, which has on occasion proved controversial,
Blair and Brown once said no more of the local partys decideing their own favs and started having the at the time more blairite NEC force candidates onto CLPs, which has resulted in the shambles we now have, careerist labour MPs with fuck all connection to their constituency who were straight out of Uni and worked as advisors or interns at westminster.
They have no empathy or understanding of the problems of their constituents, and are just looking at their own jobs.
Thats why the new MPs veer more towards jezza, there was a long hard fought battle with new selections by the unions and CLPs to get the new blood to be more in tune with the party and more people out side of westminster life, hence why Cat Smith, Clive Lewis, Richard Burgon etc were able to get the nomination.
Some of the shit going on in gortons CLP is to do with this, a campaign from the right of the party to bully the left as Kaufmans gonna stand down and they want a parachute candidate not a local councilor or member to get the nomination, (Ed fucking Balls has been muted and if that happens shit will hit the fan)
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Ed Balls in Gorton! Did I just read that right..?

I have a bloke at work who's quite heavily involved in all this stuff, he's a member of Momentum (I think that's right) and was at a local meeting recently. I also have someone who is a proper Leftie, he was quite active in the print union strikes in the 70s - he has some cracking stories of battles with the police. I've been speaking to the pair of them a lot regarding all this nonsense currently going in the Labour Party. They're both quite upbeat, and talk a lot of sense.

People in work are talking about politics more than I've heard before, however there's still a problem in getting the younger generation involved. I work with quite a diverse group of people where age is concerned (politically they are predominantly Left) and those under 30ish just have near enough zero interest, and some are quite well educated, so that argument goes out of the window. Maybe it's always been this way?
 
malg said:
Ed Balls in Gorton! Did I just read that right..?

I have a bloke at work who's quite heavily involved in all this stuff, he's a member of Momentum (I think that's right) and was at a local meeting recently. I also have someone who is a proper Leftie, he was quite active in the print union strikes in the 70s - he has some cracking stories of battles with the police. I've been speaking to the pair of them a lot regarding all this nonsense currently going in the Labour Party. They're both quite upbeat, and talk a lot of sense.

People in work are talking about politics more than I've heard before, however there's still a problem in getting the younger generation involved. I work with quite a diverse group of people where age is concerned (politically they are predominantly Left) and those under 30ish just have near enough zero interest, and some are quite well educated, so that argument goes out of the window. Maybe it's always been this way?
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The balls thing has been rumoured for a couple of month though nothing concrete and has been said will be opposed, but gorton clp is suspended at present amid claim of bullying and irregular voting coming from the right of the party.

Tbf I haven't seen labour members as happy about the party and leader and its direction as they are now for a long time, we are all pretty chilled about it though we all agree the PLP are the problem.

I grew up with me dad on strike at gec and the labour club nights with the strikers, supporters and family was such social and happy time even though we were living on hand to mouth on strike pay. That, I think is something that's forgotten people were not only workmates and neighbours but like family and that soicial comradeship is sadly missed( I would say football/rugby etc is the only place where it exhists still. The fact there are parts of labour who want the party to be what it once was a force for those in need is why they are so popular, careerist politicial patronising the electorate have had their day.
 
urban genie said:
The balls thing has been rumoured for a couple of month though nothing concrete and has been said will be opposed, but gorton clp is suspended at present amid claim of bullying and irregular voting coming from the right of the party.

Tbf I haven't seen labour members as happy about the party and leader and its direction as they are now for a long time, we are all pretty chilled about it though we all agree the PLP are the problem.

I grew up with me dad on strike at gec and the labour club nights with the strikers, supporters and family was such social and happy time even though we were living on hand to mouth on strike pay. That, I think is something that's forgotten people were not only workmates and neighbours but like family and that soicial comradeship is sadly missed( I would say football/rugby etc is the only place where it exhists still. The fact there are parts of labour who want the party to be what it once was a force for those in need is why they are so popular, careerist politicial patronising the electorate have had their day.
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The social part of work is sadly a thing of the past.
 
Just maybe…
John Pilger on Jeremy Corbyn:
“Ordinary people are so frustrated all over the world… that their views are not reflected by their politicians. Suddenly up comes a man who, first of all, is completely incorruptible. He’s decent, he doesn’t abuse people, he doesn’t play games, he doesn’t want to go to war with countries, he doesn’t want to bomb countries, he doesn’t want to see people impoverished and he doesn’t want to see extremely rich interest make off with billions of pounds… he’s cheered people up and given them a sense that maybe change is possible.”
 
urban genie said:
If the NEC election goea the way expected it woll be a majority of left wing Corbyn leaning members so I would say the chances of mandatory reselection being passed, then the PLP will have to decide if they want to split for the rest of this parliament will they be the labour candidate next election anyway? If not and the new candicates come in and back the leadership whether they win a GE or not expect the next parliamnet Labour party to be unified one, either one way or the other
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I think the threat of mandatory reselection makes it almost certain that there will be a breakaway. They would have nothing to lose. The big question is which faction will have the most MPs after the split and form the official opposition.
 
MP's trying to deselect an Elected leader are upset they maybe deselected by the members, funny that !
 
Bluebee2 said:
MP's trying to deselect an Elected leader are upset they maybe deselected by the members, funny that !
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Except MP s are elected by real voters in the real world , the leader was elected by self appointed members paying for their vote.
 
blueparrot said:
Except MP s are elected by real voters in the real world , the leader was elected by self appointed members paying for their vote.
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An all prospective MP's are selected by their constituentcy party members, disgusting behaviour from the majority of the PLP
 
blueparrot said:
Except MP s are elected by real voters in the real world , the leader was elected by self appointed members paying for their vote.
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I know! Members of a political party electing the leader of that party!!! Disgusting! they'll be giving votes to women next!

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Watched the live launch last night and I have to say Richard Burgon is impressing me , also nice to hear working class accents and northern representatives all there, Rebecca Long Baily gave a good speech and the 2k crowd plus 3k watching on FB live on a saturday night live is not a bad turnout for someone who cannot attract people.

In Thailand atm so is it true what am reading in press filtered away from our media, that eagle brick incident was a lie as was her cancelling a rally in luton for fears of attack? Reported here that the hotel cancelled the rally when they found out it was political and the broken window was not her office at all but a stairwell in the building which has several offices and was most likely a break in attempt not aimed at anybody
 
blueparrot said:
Except MP s are elected by real voters in the real world , the leader was elected by self appointed members paying for their vote.
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Let's be honest here, the vast majority of our MPs are elected because of the party they represent, not because of their personality or fantastic electioneering strategy. You could put me in a suit, let me stand for Labour in Salford at the next General Election and I'd get elected. I would suggest I wouldn't even have to knock on a single door, or attend any rallies. Same goes for the South and Conservative seats.
 
urban genie said:
Watched the live launch last night and I have to say Richard Burgon is impressing me , also nice to hear working class accents and northern representatives all there, Rebecca Long Baily gave a good speech and the 2k crowd plus 3k watching on FB live on a saturday night live is not a bad turnout for someone who cannot attract people.

In Thailand atm so is it true what am reading in press filtered away from our media, that eagle brick incident was a lie as was her cancelling a rally in luton for fears of attack? Reported here that the hotel cancelled the rally when they found out it was political and the broken window was not her office at all but a stairwell in the building which has several offices and was most likely a break in attempt not aimed at anybody
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With regards to eagle, yes the brick was a lie, yes the hotel cancelled the gig & today the mail on Sunday are leading with more lies.
They really are "bricking it" at the numbers joining the campaign for a democratic socialist economy, withe a government by the people for the people
 
Any unblinkered voter can see that Corbyn's Referendum campaign was a fecking disaster.
Any unblinkered voter can see that he is incapable of leading broad spectrum British political party where compromise towards common goals is essential.
Corbyn will simply not attract any of the 8% of swing voters that win elections.
Nor will he stand a chance of reconnecting with the 8% of C/D voters who voted Leave.
Any unblinkered voter can see that Labour movement clearly want to be a left wing pressure group and are abandoning the real political stage for the next 15 years.

Thanks for leaving us with the only option of Tory rule for the next 15 years. Just Thanks.
 
Did any of posters on here who are now complaining about biased press coverage of Corbyn also complain about biased press coverage of Ukip before the last general election?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Any unblinkered voter can see that Corbyn's Referendum campaign was a fecking disaster.
Any unblinkered voter can see that he is incapable of leading broad spectrum British political party where compromise towards common goals is essential.
Corbyn will simply not attract any of the 8% of swing voters that win elections.
Nor will he stand a chance of reconnecting with the 8% of C/D voters who voted Leave.
Any unblinkered voter can see that Labour movement clearly want to be a left wing pressure group and are abandoning the real political stage for the next 15 years.

Thanks for leaving us with the only option of Tory rule for the next 15 years. Just Thanks.
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Easy to blame corbyn and his supporters for the current state if labour, but if you cast your mind back a year to the leadership campaign do you honestly think any of the other candidates would have made a better job of leading the party, or made a plausible pm?
They were shallow self serving clowns and this left the door open for corbyn.
I don't recall the more centrist labour party of the last Parliament causing Cameron and co much trouble as a credible opposition either tbf.
Tricky times for labour, but before we start doom mongering about twenty years of Tory rule its worth remembering they probably have some internal conflict looming, and the dubious honour of managing brexit which will be a poison chalice.
 
Chancy Termites said:
Did any of posters on here who are now complaining about biased press coverage of Corbyn also complain about biased press coverage of Ukip before the last general election?
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what biased coverage, in fact farage and nuttalls have been given tonnes of coverage the last 4 years, even when they were just a fringe group, regular spots on political shows, given air time to put their views across, and treated as though they were MP's, more coverage and media time than parties in similar positions like the greens never get. Yes they have had documentries on party members calling them cranks on C4, but everyone gets that done to them in dispatches or panorama.

They have rightly been called out when they have a member come out with some biggotted comment and rightly so, But Nige has has a great ammount of decent amd possitive tv time given to him.
 
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