Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

I don't know who to vote for as I can't stand,self obsessed,self centred,career driven, gob on legs wankers.
My loyalty is to the country not a political party with its own agenda.
 
Yes. They always do.
He seems to think a typical member of 'middle England ' is a businessman earning £100k; someone whose vote I would expect to be pretty inelastic. I would say whole families bringing in around half that sum (who are much greater in number than the 100k pa brigade) are more typically 'middle England'; the floating voters who determine GEs. Corbyn simply doesn't appeal to them in sufficient numbers.
 
Any party that offers up as leader a person who advocates unilateral disarmament, untrammelled immigration and nationalisation is doomed.
This new tranche of 'Labour supporters,' who took advantage of Miliband's £3 a go membership, believe there is a fierce appetite for socialism
in this country, Blair realised long ago that there isn't, and successfully brought Labour into power, three times.
He is now reviled, which is understandable, but his shifting of Labour to the centre won the middle England vote,the PLP know this,
but these rules have now placed the party in grave danger, and a split is inevitable IMO.
 
How many myths, lies & right wing propaganda can be fitted in one post?
Where is the evidence that all these new Labour members come from areas that are already strongholds?
Are you certain that "middle England" will decide the next General Election?
How many didn't vote in the last GE?
Are these likely to be businessmen earning over £100,000 per annum or people on zero hour contracts, or the other working poor that are seeing their standard of living destroyed by tory policy?
With a few more hundred thousand messengers going out knocking doors, very many I believe will register and go out and vote next time.
Why?
Because at the next General Election there will be a choice, a real choice.
Despite your rhetoric There is also no evidence to say I am wrong.
Yours is the same left wing blind faith that spouted on here we (rwnj)were wrong and Milband would win the last Election and that Brexit would never be voted for.
Corbyn has just woken the looney left the Blairites kicked out of the party I would argue that he is further away from the centre voters and those are exactly the ones any left winger needs to be elected . I except that I may have to wait until the next election to be proven correct but in the mean time I am that confident that I am right I will once again be voting for Clown Corbyn in the leadership
Election.
 
Despite your rhetoric There is also no evidence to say I am wrong.
Yours is the same left wing blind faith that spouted on here we (rwnj)were wrong and Milband would win the last Election and that Brexit would never be voted for.
Corbyn has just woken the looney left the Blairites kicked out of the party I would argue that he is further away from the centre voters and those are exactly the ones any left winger needs to be elected . I except that I may have to wait until the next election to be proven correct but in the mean time I am that confident that I am right I will once again be voting for Clown Corbyn in the leadership
Election.
Strange then that I was in favour of Lexit.
The vote in the EU referendum was, to a large degree, a vote by the people wanting a change in politics.
The rise in membership of the Labour party is unheralded, where will it lead?
Time will tell, but the times they are a changing
 
Corbyn will win the leadership contest at a canter, then the big purge and retribution will start, part of me is looking forward to the fall out but a labour party on its arse is a disaster for democracy, If May held a snap election I reckon the Tories would have a 100 majority as things stand at the moment..!
 
Despite your rhetoric There is also no evidence to say I am wrong.
Yours is the same left wing blind faith that spouted on here we (rwnj)were wrong and Milband would win the last Election and that Brexit would never be voted for.
Corbyn has just woken the looney left the Blairites kicked out of the party I would argue that he is further away from the centre voters and those are exactly the ones any left winger needs to be elected . I except that I may have to wait until the next election to be proven correct but in the mean time I am that confident that I am right I will once again be voting for Clown Corbyn in the leadership
Election.
I've seen Corbyn a couple of times on Marr, and I think the bloke speaks very well (he never dodged a single question in either interview, and not one evasive politicians answer), and I reckon he could sway a decent amount of voters who are sick to death of seeing trained circus monkeys turn up on telly and spout the same nonsense time and again. The way he speaks, I could see a lot of the younger generation voting for him, as he doesn't do the normal evasive nonsense and appears quite calm - no one has seen him fight for a General Election as party leader though, so God only knows how he'd handle that. I could imagine him standing his own quite well in a debate against other party leaders though.

His main problem, and one that just won't go away is the pure hatred from within the PLP. It'll be hard enough to battle the Tory press at an election, but he'll also be battling the Bliar camp. The recent nonsense about the Labour MP who had her office broken into, and the brick through the window are perfect examples of how the press are manipulated by that shower. It's all pretty shite.
 
Corbyn will win the leadership contest at a canter, then the big purge and retribution will start, part of me is looking forward to the fall out but a labour party on its arse is a disaster for democracy, If May held a snap election I reckon the Tories would have a 100 majority as things stand at the moment..!

I think its unlikely that May will call an election until the boundary changes take effect.

It seems to me that Labour, with its current divisions, is a lost cause. Better to split and let the different wings go their separate ways.
 
I think its unlikely that May will call an election until the boundary changes take effect.

It seems to me that Labour, with its current divisions, is a lost cause. Better to split and let the different wings go their separate ways.

Even if she could with the fixed-term act in place.
 
I've seen Corbyn a couple of times on Marr, and I think the bloke speaks very well (he never dodged a single question in either interview, and not one evasive politicians answer), and I reckon he could sway a decent amount of voters who are sick to death of seeing trained circus monkeys turn up on telly and spout the same nonsense time and again. The way he speaks, I could see a lot of the younger generation voting for him, as he doesn't do the normal evasive nonsense and appears quite calm - no one has seen him fight for a General Election as party leader though, so God only knows how he'd handle that. I could imagine him standing his own quite well in a debate against other party leaders though.

His main problem, and one that just won't go away is the pure hatred from within the PLP. It'll be hard enough to battle the Tory press at an election, but he'll also be battling the Bliar camp. The recent nonsense about the Labour MP who had her office broken into, and the brick through the window are perfect examples of how the press are manipulated by that shower. It's all pretty shite.

He is good at answering questions and asking questions of people but he is not good at dealing with scrutiny. Anyone could answer a question that yes we should stop austerity and make everyone happy again but none of his solutions stand up to scrutiny. Labour lost the last election badly because again they could not handle the facts part. If he says he is going to nationalize the railways then that's great and fine but how will you pay for it Jeremy.... It is that part which he ignores and instead just goes down the usual route of saying he will tax the rich 90% of their salaries etc. If the Tories then say well that doesn't add up, he freezes.

If he was more centre and claimed he would balance the economy properly alongside the EU stuff whilst pulling out of austerity then he would be on to a winner but he won't because he will never be willing to take the hard decision of going against his principles. His prime reason being in politics is to oppose what he feels should be opposed whether logic and reasonable thinking agrees with his reasoning or not. He is a principled person which is admirable but unfortunately the hardest of decisions cannot be based on principles or you can never make the right decision.

The vast majority of the working public are just not really interested either in hard left socialist policy. Those who earn next to nothing might but those on an average wage and doing alright won't be and that is where the majority of people are. May will now occupy that exact territory which he really should be going for and if she turns out strong and as they have lost Scotland he just has no hope of ever winning an election.
 
The vast majority of the working public are just not really interested either in hard left socialist policy. Those who earn next to nothing might but those on an average wage and doing alright won't be and that is where the majority of people are.
This is so fucking obvious and yet so many are completely blind to it.
 

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