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daztrueblue91 said:
Mourinho wanted a new CB at United and bought that Bailly. Chelsea are after that CB from Napoli. Barcelona signed Umtiti.

That suggests that the clubs who have shown an interest in Stones are after a CB but haven't gone for him.

So either we have already agreed a deal with Stones and got rid of any competitors or they do not value him as high as we and Everton do.

Also, Everton still need to protect their asset. If he drops into the last 2 years of his contract then his value will plummet. Therefore, the decision is do they sell him or try and keep him long term when Stones has already made it clear that he wants out.

We have made made some serious inroads with this negotiation. With all the rumoured interest there could have been a bidding war. Yet we are in a position where we can at least try and negotiate a fee.

If we get him for £45 mil plus add ons I'd say that is a very good job well done from Txiki.
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I'm no huge Stones fan, but Barca let it be known through the Spanish media, that they wanted Stones & that he wanted to go to City.

That hardly drops the price for our negotiations, which they are probably happy about, the same way they shat on us with Pellegrini.

If we had told Everton '40 mil take it or leave it' & Everton had said '50 or no deal' then both sides would have agreed to sack the deal off & get on with other business, as no way on earth is a ten mil difference going to be bridged in a cash sum, & Stones would be concentrating on being an Everton player for the next season.

Clearly they are still negotiating, are not as far apart as the liars in the media would have us believe & I can imagine you might be in the ballpark.

I could also imagine we are rather busy with other deals as well & Everton the same, which may be causing a slight delay.
 
mad zab said:
If he feels he wants him then he should tell Txixi to spend the £50m.

Managers are not always right on everything. The best just happen to get much more decisions right than wrong.

I don't think I am alone in believing Stones has to improve in his defensive skills.
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I'm not alone in believing that pep might just about, be able to do it.
I honestly couldn't care less what anyone's opinion is, including my own on his ability or lack of it. I believe pep is the man and I believe, he clearly knows more than me and you.
 
i8rags said:
I'm not alone in believing that pep might just about, be able to do it.
I honestly couldn't care less what anyone's opinion is, including my own on his ability or lack of it. I believe pep is the man and I believe, he clearly knows more than me and you.
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Of course he does. However, that doesn't stop people from having opinions.

Everyone knows Stones strengths, and he has good strengths. Equally, we know his weaknesses. For what it is worth, I think Pep can improve him defensively, but it isn't going to happen overnight.
 
kas_tippler said:
As I understand it we are as far away from a deal as we have ever been.
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You're an interesting poster. Having stumbled upon your pessimistic postings on several threads, I conclude you are an absolute no nothing or a genuine ITK. The former is my conclusion.
 
efcblue said:
TV deal is irrelevant. It's a drop in the ocean to what Moshiri (and, looking increasingly more likely, Usmanov too) will bring over the next three years.
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I fear you are forgetting the very FFP rules that Everton were all too eager to domestically endorse. You have a 38000 capacity shed of a ground, your income levels are a country mile below those of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, and your spending levels and ability to attract top players will always be limited as a result, regardless of how much money your new owner has. We were lucky, we were the last ones over the drawbridge before the old Sky 4 teamed up with Platini, Milan, Munich & Co to try and nobble prospective future competitors. Meanwhile Everton went and joined the other turkeys voting for Christmas by agreeing to FFP in the Premier League. Sorry mate, but you ain't getting a snout in the trough - and by association, winning 'owt - anytime soon
 
mad zab said:
If he feels he wants him then he should tell Txixi to spend the £50m.

Managers are not always right on everything. The best just happen to get much more decisions right than wrong.

I don't think I am alone in believing Stones has to improve in his defensive skills.
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You don't know what Pep has told him and what is currently happening.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I fear you are forgetting the very FFP rules that Everton were all too eager to domestically endorse. You have a 38000 capacity shed of a ground, your income levels are a country mile below those of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, and your spending levels and ability to attract top players will always be limited as a result, regardless of how much money your new owner has. We were lucky, we were the last ones over the drawbridge before the old Sky 4 teamed up with Platini, Milan, Munich & Co to try and nobble prospective future competitors. Meanwhile Everton went and joined the other turkeys voting for Christmas by agreeing to FFP in the Premier League. Sorry mate, but you ain't getting a snout in the trough - and by association, winning 'owt - anytime soon
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Boom. :-)
 
40mil is a fair price and if we are going to walk away then fair enough. Pep has perhaps seen enough from Tosin, Denayer and Otto.
 
Could he be deployed in a defensive midfield role?

If the answer is yes, then it's not too difficult to understand why he's so highly regarded by Pep. Such versatility would increase our options in a position where we somewhat weak.
 
Apparently, according to that bastion of reliability known as twitter, we've more or less told Everton that £40m is our final offer, and to take it or leave it. It's on the Citywatch page.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
If Mourinho wanted him, Chelsea still wanted him and we do, then it will drive his price up. Everton would sell to the highest bidder.

Yet it seems that Txiki has pursuaded Stones to join us. Therefore, the other clubs haven't got involved meaning we can at least negotiate with Everton.

To put it simply, if another club offered Everton what they wanted then we wouldn't be in a position to negotiate.
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So what your saying is that if they still wanted him, then there is competition. Can you confirm the rags and chavs still want him but backed off because of Pep.
 
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