Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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Sunderland caught up on our trick around the last quarter of the game though, but this too will have its contingency from Pep.
 
Alex B said:
Disgrace starting Willy ahead of Hart. Make your statement Pep by all means but not on one of the few players who gives his all to the club. Hart could have done everything Willy done and more no one can disagree with that.
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Couldn't disagree with you more. Willy played several shorter balls to the two inverted full backs which they were able to take under very little pressure, that Joe would have over hit out of play, or sent straight down the middle to the big centre half losing possession.
 
Alex B said:
Dropped for fucking Cabellero though really?!!!! If we had signed a keeper Pep wanted maybe but that's taking the piss.
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No.

It's not taking the piss. It's selecting the goalkeeper that follows instruction. This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp but it seems many are really having a hard time with it.

You need to put your loyalty to Joe Hart to the side. Just for a minute. Then you begin to understand that this has been done for footballing reasons and essentially comes down to one simple thing. He isn't good enough to play in Peps system.

It's been done to death now. Joe didn't start today and personally I think that should be the end of the debate.
 
Too many times last season when Joe didn't stop a shot and conceded a goal, or a near miss he just laughed it off. For me that got my back up last year, because it seemed quite blasé of Joe. His distribution of the ball has always been a sticking point of his game. At 29 years of age can he become what Pep needs, only Pep knows that by working with him in training behind closed doors.

If we can get Ter-Stegen in then we should do it
 
Dr Jacoby said:
How has Caballero developed a reputation for being "crap"?

He won us the League Cup last year, and he has always looked like a good goalkeeper to me.
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Because up until that cup final, he played garbage in every match prior making at least 2 or 3 gaffes a game, and being directly at fault for a goal per game at least pretty much. He was turd. Then he turned it on against the dippers. That's about it.

I don't rate him, think he's dog shit personally. But I'm not the manager so woe is me, I hope he does well until we find whoever our number 1 is.
 
Proy said:
No.

It's not taking the piss. It's selecting the goalkeeper that follows instruction. This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp but it seems many are really having a hard time with it.

You need to put your loyalty to Joe Hart to the side. Just for a minute. Then you begin to understand that this has been done for footballing reasons and essentially comes down to one simple thing. He isn't good enough to play in Peps system.

It's been done to death now. Joe didn't start today and personally I think that should be the end of the debate.
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I think Hart is good enough. Perhaps Willy has shown more in training, or maybe Joe will play in midweek, but I wouldn't say he is not good enough to play in Peps system. Perhaps Guardiola feels he has to improve certain aspects.
 
BlueTG said:
Because up until that cup final, he played garbage in every match prior making at least 2 or 3 gaffes a game, and being directly at fault for a goal per game at least pretty much. He was turd. Then he turned it on against the dippers. That's about it.

I don't rate him, think he's dog shit personally. But I'm not the manager so woe is me, I hope he does well until we find whoever our number 1 is.
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Dog shit? That comment says a lot really
 
Pissing myself at people saying Willys distribution was fantastic. He played a couple of basic passes which any average Sunday league player could have done on a pitch of that quality. Anyone thinking Joe couldn't have played those passes is wrong. Willy didn't play badly but I still fully expect Hart to have his place back in a few weeks, unless we do sign a new keeper.

Mad how quick people forget how good Hart has been and was all last season.
 
Jumanji said:
He gave him high fives because that's the sportsmanlike thing to do.
What I'm just saying is after we conceded, you could really see how Joe felt about being dropped.

For me, he had a clear, apparent expression on his face that he couldn't hold back if you paid him.
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I'm happy he had that expression. Any competitor should. This doesn't mean he wants us to lose. He just thinks he is better. And that's fine.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Pissing myself at people saying Willys distribution was fantastic. He played a couple of basic passes which any average Sunday league player could have done on a pitch of that quality. Anyone thinking Joe couldn't have played those passes is wrong. Willy didn't play badly but I still fully expect Hart to have his place back in a few weeks, unless we do sign a new keeper.

Mad how quick people forget how good Hart has been and was all last season.
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Don't worry, petal, they're pissing their sides right back at ya...
 
True_Blue69 said:
Pissing myself at people saying Willys distribution was fantastic. He played a couple of basic passes which any average Sunday league player could have done on a pitch of that quality. Anyone thinking Joe couldn't have played those passes is wrong. Willy didn't play badly but I still fully expect Hart to have his place back in a few weeks, unless we do sign a new keeper.

Mad how quick people forget how good Hart has been and was all last season.
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He could have done that but last week against Arsenal in the friendly he didn't do it. Why was that? Pep has clearly instructed his keepers to do this almost every time we get the ball and I'm sure at half time last week he didn't just change his plans. I thought Joe didn't help himself with that last week and who knows what goes on in training. None of us see this.

I think it will be a shame if he goes as I like him but I don't think he helps himself at times.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Pissing myself at people saying Willys distribution was fantastic. He played a couple of basic passes which any average Sunday league player could have done on a pitch of that quality. Anyone thinking Joe couldn't have played those passes is wrong. Willy didn't play badly but I still fully expect Hart to have his place back in a few weeks, unless we do sign a new keeper.

Mad how quick people forget how good Hart has been and was all last season.
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How quickly you've forgotten his errors, his sticky gloves as runs forward and doesn't throw or kick it and his calamitous Euros.
This will do him good. If anything his protectionism of his No.1 England status has msde him too anxious and error prone. The challenge will be good for him.
 
Pep you pick any team you want. You are the manager. I am delighted you are here. Players who play for you and those that fight for their place will become better under you.
Ignore the critics who post on here.
 
People who honestly think caballero is a better keeper or footballer than hart are mental. Not once in a city shirt has caballero played to the level Hart has for city. In Europe especially Joe has been immense. But for him in Barca we would have been truly humiliated. It amazes me people suddenly suggesting caballero is the better player but then there's now a thread that is a kolorov love in after one game against relegation fodder. That's the same kolorov who most hoped was off to Beshiktas and is one of the most decried players on here. People questioning harts attitude need to compare it to the likes of kolorov who regularly has downed tools on the pitch and not given a fuck.
 
Would not surprise me if Joe is back in the team in midweek. Keeps Joe on his toes and I think the squad is going to get used to the full.
 
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