Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[SWP's back]

Did it lead to a goal?

How many times has Joe kicked the ball straight out of play instead of finding the man he was aiming for?

You asked what he did wrong.

Don't then build a strawman when someone replies.

 

[Akiva]

You can make many arguments about Joe's perennially poor distribution, his shot stopping decline and his attitude but at the end of the day whether he leaves or not is Pep's choice.

We didn't bring in Pep to cock block him from picking the team he wants and Joe simply doesn't fit the mould. It's unfortunate but there it is.

Nobody here doesn't love Joe. He's a City legend and that'll never change, but if Pep wants him replaced then it's time both he and we move on.

 

[TotalFootballOne]

When you look at Pep coaching career and see the players he's had issues with it was either players, who had ego problems, were strong figures (in a bad way), or just weren't good enough.

Dinho/Deco were pillars of bring Barca out of their dark years, yet Pep transferred them and it was for the better of the team, the lads Xavi and Iniesta didn't do too bad I'd say :) Eto'o called Pep a nobody in a training session and refused to listen to him in many occasions. Ibra, well it's Ibra he's shock till this day a manager stood up against him.

At BM he got rid of the leading strikers in their treble winning years Gomez (mainly due to injuries) and Mandzu (he has a massive ego even Simeone had issues with him).

Gotze was a blockbuster signing under him, yet was only a squad player, Pep even said himself he loves Gotze, but reality is Gotze got too lazy and eventually his WC winning goal and being Germany hero got to his head and he just wasn't the same again.

Look at what Xavi recently said about Pep,

“The first thing I remember him saying as a Coach was that he would not tolerate any player not working hard.

“’This is the only thing that I require, that you work hard for the group [what Pep said].’ This was a surprise for us.

I'd assume perhaps Hart attitude and commitment in training isn't, this is also why maybe some of the players who shouldn't be playing are maybe they are trying really hard and training and Pep is giving them a chance.

Also Pep, nor any other managers has some kind of magic wand to make people perform or develop talent, the players have to make an effort also. Look at BM he gave some of their youth a chance, but none really impressed him, but look at his faith in the non BM youth Kimmich and Koman, both were amazing, but also worked hard and didn't complain.

Anyways will never really know the turth even if Hart goes and speaks, Pep won't as he didn't say anything when Ibra or Eto'o hit out to him.

 

[vmsuhail]

I think there is more to it than Hart being bad with his feet... think i can be more about his personality, strong in dressing room and somehow rubbing Pep the wrong way too... he has not had the same time as caballero to learn anything... judging him from one half against arsenal with a makeshift defence seems extreme... so I think it has more with his other qualities/weaknesses to do... read somewhere that Pep doesnt like strong leaders in the dressing room and that team spirit is very important... I might be totally wrong here but there is more to this story than "only" being bad with his feet especially since the time to learn has not been given as I would have thought everyone would have..

What do you guys think?

How does having strong leaders work contrary to the team spirit? We need leaders on the pitch to rally the team in times of adversities. David Silva/Fernandinho are not great leaders IMO. Joe Hart is, and we don't want to lose him to strengthen another team in the PL. I wish to see Pep give him atleast a year to monitor if the sweeper role can be taught to him. Gutted if he goes without being given a chance.

 

[PrezIke]

How does having strong leaders work contrary to the team spirit? We need leaders on the pitch to rally the team in times of adversities. David Silva/Fernandinho are not great leaders IMO. Joe Hart is, and we don't want to lose him to strengthen another team in the PL. I wish to see Pep give him atleast a year to monitor if the sweeper role can be taught to him. Gutted if he goes without being given a chance.

If Joe is this "strong leader" why did he not get voted as captain or vice captain over Silva who has never been above him in that regard? He's vocal, but I'm not sure the players respect him as much as he appears to act or has been given status for by Pellegrini when given the armband a few times, and I am a very big fan of Joe, and have defended him many times. I am not saying players don't respect him, but perhaps it isn't about being a "strong leader" as much as he seems that way, but maybe to some players now it's not having the same effect.

I wish him much success, am gutted this is ocurring, and eternally grateful for his contributions, as he has been really a great City player who I wish we could keep, but I cannot see this working out. The writing has been on the wall since Pep became our manager. It is a bitter pill to swallow for him, as fans, and Pep knows this as well, but it clearly has to be done. I think that's why he was dropped now. If he was not and then in the background made a move for Bravo or whoever, it would be even worse. At least Pep is being up front about it as respectfully as he can. I do not envy him and it sure tells us who is the boss now.

Joe will be a great asset to whatever club he plays for and I will always be a fan of his.

 

[Wolfkin]

Do we actually know 100% if hes going?

 

[vmsuhail]

If Joe is this "strong leader" why did he not get voted as captain or vice captain over Silva who has never been above him in that regard? .

I heard Pep say Silva was chosen for him being the senior most player in the squad. I think if Joe was playing, he would have been the captain. Or am I missing something ?
I am a strong believer of having leaders on the pitch, especially now since most of our squad is soon going to be comprising of very young players. They are going to engage in high profile/pressure games and are bound to make mistakes as well. Having a club legend and a leader will help them.
It's unfortunate that instead of spending our efforts in moving out Mangala/Kolarov/Bony/Nasri/Yaya and bringing in a fullback and a CM, we are having to focus on replacing a club legend, homegrown and a decent GK.

 

[itisrising]

If Joe is this "strong leader" why did he not get voted as captain or vice captain over Silva who has never been above him in that regard? He's vocal, but I'm not sure the players respect him as much as he appears to act or has been given status for by Pellegrini when given the armband a few times, and I am a very big fan of Joe, and have defended him many times. I am not saying players don't respect him, but perhaps it isn't about being a "strong leader" as much as he seems that way, but maybe to some players now it's not having the same effect.

I wish him much success, am gutted this is ocurring, and eternally grateful for his contributions, as he has been really a great City player who I wish we could keep, but I cannot see this working out. The writing has been on the wall since Pep became our manager. It is a bitter pill to swallow for him, as fans, and Pep knows this as well, but it clearly has to be done. I think that's why he was dropped now. If he was not and then in the background made a move for Bravo or whoever, it would be even worse. At least Pep is being up front about it as respectfully as he can. I do not envy him and it sure tells us who is the boss now.

Joe will be a great asset to whatever club he plays for and I will always be a fan of his.

Just throwing it out there but Pep stated he was the one who decided Silva to be captain. Said he was there the longest that's why

 

[Nasri's Hair]

£20,000,000 reported for joe is this some kind of sick joke

I think his shit euros and being dropped by Pep have really hurt what we can get for him. I think pre euros we were looking at 30-40 million. Now 25 seems a lot more realistic.
It doesn't help that many of the teams who would pay a large fee have keepers currently perceived to be better or at least just as good as Joe.

 

[razman]

To be honest, just surprised it has gone downhill for Joe so fast. Thought he would have been given a season. So long Joe. Would be weird to see him go to Everton, but he has to save his England career, that would make sense

 

[yankcitizen76]

You could kind of see this as far back as last year when Henry said that Pep would drop Hart. I don't think we took it that seriously. Well obviously it was going to happen. I just hope this doesn't come back to bite us.

 

[Wolfkin]

Sorry if this was already posted.

 

[mosssideblue]

From all quarters including the fans.

Any fan who puts pressure on Pep is in a very privileged position to do so! Joking aside, I cannot see any fans doing that. Pep is here to improve us, not carry on the status quo.

 

[SWP's back]

This whole thing really fucking rubs me the wrong way.

Which part?

 

[SWP's back]

Sorry if this was already posted.

I'm not overly surprised by this

 

[SWP's back]

From all quarters including the fans.

I wouldn't have thought so. He already knows what pressure is on him. I don't think too many fans wouldn't understand the decision.

 

[Metalartin]

Having read what Cheeseman has said I'm going to take a complete guess and say Joe's tried to call some shots and got above his station(maybe about his own place in the team or maybe someone being shipped out he doesn't agree with), there's being a leader in the dressing room when it's needed and there's knowing the chain of command. It's a shame if that's the case because I'm sure he means well he doesn't strike me as a malicious character, he's been here a long time has many friends in the dressing room and might feel that gives him some weight when he shouldn't make that mistake. Hope all the players learn from this, you play Peps way and it's his rules or you're gone.

Genuine question though how would we all feel if Aguero started calling the shots because he wasn't happy waiting for the slow build up from the back? We've got some players that would be very hard to replace that I'd be gutted to lose because they are that good.

 

[Edwin Edwin]

Being vocal doesn't mean he's a leader. Leadership is more than that..Just like Nasri,he says what we want to hear but on the pitch naah. Wouldn't start for Bayern,Barca,Madrid,Atleti or Juve..If we should keep all fan favorites how is the club supposed to move forward? Soon it might be Zabaleta then Silva then Aguero,some here will go berserk then if you're flipping over Hart..Seems like some would rather lose games with Hart in goal than win with Bravo in it and you just know that they'll boo every mistake Bravo will make since its not their beloved Hart.. Ridiculous. P.S.Bravo has been Chile's captain for some years now,talk about leadership.

 

[SWP's back]

Having read what Cheeseman has said I'm going to take a complete guess and say Joe's tried to call some shots and got above his station(maybe about his own place in the team or maybe someone being shipped out he doesn't agree with), there's being a leader in the dressing room when it's needed and there's knowing the chain of command. It's a shame if that's the case because I'm sure he means well he doesn't strike me as a malicious character, he's been here a long time has many friends in the dressing room and might feel that gives him some weight when he shouldn't make that mistake. Hope all the players learn from this, you play Peps way and it's his rules or you're gone.

Genuine question though how would we all feel if Aguero started calling the shots because he wasn't happy waiting for the slow build up from the back? We've got some players that would be very hard to replace that I'd be gutted to lose because they are that good.

Yeah because Augero was receiving the ball quickly for the past 3 years.

To answer though, if Aguero acts the **** then he goes. No one is irreplaceable.

 

[almir]

Having read what Cheeseman has said I'm going to take a complete guess and say Joe's tried to call some shots and got above his station(maybe about his own place in the team or maybe someone being shipped out he doesn't agree with), there's being a leader in the dressing room when it's needed and there's knowing the chain of command. It's a shame if that's the case because I'm sure he means well he doesn't strike me as a malicious character, he's been here a long time has many friends in the dressing room and might feel that gives him some weight when he shouldn't make that mistake. Hope all the players learn from this, you play Peps way and it's his rules or you're gone.

Genuine question though how would we all feel if Aguero started calling the shots because he wasn't happy waiting for the slow build up from the back? We've got some players that would be very hard to replace that I'd be gutted to lose because they are that good.

It would be exactly same, Pep would sell Aguero. Guy sold Ibrahimovic for 20 million who they paid 30-40 million + Eto and who scored 20-25 goals one season he was at Barca. He just doesn't give a shit who you are, if you cross his way you're in problems.