False 9

[aguero93:20]

I'd go
1.bravo
2.sagna
3.clichy
4.ottamendi
5.stones
6.fernando
7.fernandiniho
8.de bruyne
9sterling
10.sane
11silva

Can't see us taking the no10 shirt off Aguero after only a year.

 

[Billabillity]

Any one remember the 'Revie Plan' sometime in the 50's when Don Revie had a plan, something like a no 9 playing deep.Maybe some older posters could shed more light on this

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

Any of our players who have an eye for goal and play in midfield can fill that role. De-Bruyne, Sterling, Silva, Nolito, Nasri... And do qquite well imo.

Good point. That's why we don't really need to play an out and out false 9. Any one of those 5 players could be in an advanced position, depending on which area of the pitch we're building an attack, and have a couple of runners going past him. Wouldn't surprise me if Pep went with that kind of flexible approach. Just hope we'll have enough time to work on it if that's what we go with.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

“The false 9 existed in football as far back as the days when the Argentine Adolfo Pedernera was playing for and leading Máquina de River Plate (1936-1945), although the first player to really make it his own was the Hungarian Nándor Hidegkuti... Players such as Alfredo Di Stéfano, Michael Laudrup and Francesco Totti had all been great exponents of the same position but it had fallen out of fashion until May 2, 2009”

Marti Perarnau: "Pep Confidential"

Or is reading too pretentious for you busy non-anoraks (with thousands of posts on a football forum)?

Sarky ****. Was it actually called that then, or a tactic with a modern name. If you were there you'd know, were you?

In an organised team every player knows their role, "false 9" is labeling something very incorrectly.

 

[MarsLlama]

Pep Confidential is brilliant to be fair.

I have 100 questions about City's future and Brahim Dia is the answer to most of them. Expect him in the first team in the next three years.

 

[billfromthehill]

I hate the term false 9. Tis bollox. It implies a striker who doesnt score enough goals but gets a free pass to stay in the team.

A forward that plays behind a striker and is more involved in link up play may be called a No 10 and that i get as that is a genuine position but what the F is a false No9?

This for me

 

[BandwagonJumper]

This for me

False 9 is like having a No. 10 with no traditional No. 9 ahead of him, giving the wingers/other attackers more room to cut in and exploit the space in the final third.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

Any one remember the 'Revie Plan' sometime in the 50's when Don Revie had a plan, something like a no 9 playing deep.Maybe some older posters could shed more light on this

Yep we,ve bin there before..with the Revie plan..as you say deep lying centre forward,confusing the opposing teams centre backs as they had no one to mark,the Pellegrini plan with no strikers at all due to injury and we did OK there...over to you Pep,to continue our rich vein of history in confusing defences.
Apparently, we have no history.
Any older posters who can shed more light on Revie and his plan? Always thought City never got enough credit for what was then unheard of innovative tactics.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Yep we,ve bin there before..with the Revie plan..as you say deep lying centre forward,confusing the opposing teams centre backs as they had no one to mark,the Pellegrini plan with no strikers at all due to injury and we did OK there...over to you Pep,to continue our rich vein of history in confusing defences.
Apparently, we have no history.
Any older posters who can shed more light on Revie and his plan? Always thought City never got enough credit for what was then unheard of innovative tactics.

The popular conception is that the Blues’ manager of the time, Les McDowall, had looked at the way the Hungarian side had destroyed England at Wembley in 1953, by utilising a deep-lying centre forward. McDowall had then adapted the idea for use at Manchester City.
After honing the system in the reseves, he introduced it into the first team and then pulled the master stroke of linking Don Revie and Ken Barnes as the pivotal characters in his revolutionary new plan.
The press at the time were very much taken with the idea and dubbed City ‘The Magyars of Maine Road’.
This widely held view of how The Revie Plan came into being is dismissed by Ken Barnes as ‘Bollocks!’ “It haf fuck all to do with the Hungarians, we were playing a deep-lying centre forward in the City reserves, before they turned England over at Wembley.

More...; I've seen tapes but I wasn't anything but a twinkle in my grandmothers eye back then;

http://www.citytilidie.com/uncategorized/the-revie-plan/

 

[dennishasdoneit]

The popular conception is that the Blues’ manager of the time, Les McDowall, had looked at the way the Hungarian side had destroyed England at Wembley in 1953, by utilising a deep-lying centre forward. McDowall had then adapted the idea for use at Manchester City.
After honing the system in the reseves, he introduced it into the first team and then pulled the master stroke of linking Don Revie and Ken Barnes as the pivotal characters in his revolutionary new plan.
The press at the time were very much taken with the idea and dubbed City ‘The Magyars of Maine Road’.
This widely held view of how The Revie Plan came into being is dismissed by Ken Barnes as ‘Bollocks!’ “It haf fuck all to do with the Hungarians, we were playing a deep-lying centre forward in the City reserves, before they turned England over at Wembley.

More...; I've seen tapes but I wasn't anything but a twinkle in my grandmothers eye back then;

http://www.citytilidie.com/uncategorized/the-revie-plan/

Good read that.
Cheers for posting.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Good read that.
Cheers for posting.

You're welcome blue. This is pretty decent too, and we all know the result of the match it's previewing ;

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/may/13/manchester-city-don-revie

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Sarky ****. Was it actually called that then, or a tactic with a modern name. If you were there you'd know, were you?

In an organised team every player knows their role, "false 9" is labeling something very incorrectly.

:)

I don't get what your point is, you don't think the role exists or you don't like that it's been given a specific name? Doesn't giving it a name just make things easier and less convoluted? Why does it matter when the term was coined?

Due to the success of Guardiola's Barcelona - the best team I have ever seen - and his use of Messi in that role, it became rather fashionable a few years ago. That's why it was given a new name. Unfortunately, as often is the case, it started getting attached to anyone who was a shit centre forward (i.e. Olivier Giroud) but people misunderstanding and butchering the term doesn't mean the term itself is incorrect.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

:)

I don't get what your point is, you don't think the role exists or you don't like that it's been given a specific name? Doesn't giving it a name just make things easier and less convoluted? Why does it matter when the term was coined?

Due to the success of Guardiola's Barcelona - the best team I have ever seen - and his use of Messi in that role, it became rather fashionable a few years ago. That's why it was given a new name. Unfortunately, as often is the case, it started getting attached to anyone who was a shit centre forward (i.e. Olivier Giroud) but people misunderstanding and butchering the term doesn't mean the term itself is incorrect.

:-)


it's bullshit because anyone with an even rudimentary knowledge of the game, even in a 442, knows someone has to sit slightly behind the striker. It's now as simple as saying "wingers need pace" or "defenders should be big". This term "false number" has only come into common parlance in the last 2 decades or so, and it has little to do with what happens on the pitch when playing, and more to do with armchairs trying to understand it. Imho.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I wonder if Pep knows about City's history re Don Revie ?

I bet he'd find that really interesting.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I hate the term false 9. Tis bollox. It implies a striker who doesnt score enough goals but gets a free pass to stay in the team.

A forward that plays behind a striker and is more involved in link up play may be called a No 10 and that i get as that is a genuine position but what the F is a false No9?

Ah so Rooney is actually a false 9 then.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

:-)


it's bullshit because anyone with an even rudimentary knowledge of the game, even in a 442, knows someone has to sit slightly behind the striker. It's now as simple as saying "wingers need pace" or "defenders should be big". This term "false number" has only come into common parlance in the last 2 decades or so, and it has little to do with what happens on the pitch when playing, and more to do with armchairs trying to understand it. Imho.

But with a false nine there isn't anyone sitting behind the striker. The false nine is the striker sitting behind where that striker should be. He is the most advanced player in a central position so he's not sat behind anyone. Essentially, the wingers are more advanced than this supposed centre forward. This allows players typically seen as central strikers (in Barcelona's case Eto'o, Henry and Villa) to take up positions high and wide on the wings and they are frequently left in one on one situations.

The false nine occupies the central space between the opposition's defence and midfield (with no teammate directly ahead of him), leaving the wingers pushed high and wide which in turn keeps the opposition's fullbacks pinned back.

It's all about numerical advantage, using space to dictate where your opponent can and can't move and pulling at their defensive structure until you create gaps for your teammates. It's a lazy term, as they so often are in football, but I feel like it describes the position well enough.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

But with a false nine there isn't anyone sitting behind the striker. The false nine is the striker sitting behind where that striker should be. He is the most advanced player in a central position so he's not sat behind anyone. Essentially, the wingers are more advanced than this supposed centre forward. This allows players typically seen as central strikers (in Barcelona's case Eto'o, Henry and Villa) to take up positions high and wide on the wings and they are frequently left in one on one situations.

The false nine occupies the central space between the opposition's defence and midfield (with no teammate directly ahead of him), leaving the wingers pushed high and wide which in turn keeps the opposition's fullbacks pinned back.

It's all about numerical advantage, using space to dictate where your opponent can and can't move and pulling at their defensive structure until you create gaps for your teammates. It's a lazy term, as they so often are in football, but I feel like it describes the position well enough.

You're using too many words to describe something simple. Tell team "striker, you sit back and let the wingers go ahead, once they've overtaken you, wait for a cross /pass then pounce on goal or if you can't, lay it off to your partner for a shot."

This isn't rocket science here, it's footy.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

You're using too many words to describe something simple. Tell team "striker, you sit back and let the wingers go ahead, once they've overtaken you, wait for a cross /pass then pounce on goal or if you can't, lay it off to your partner for a shot."

This isn't rocket science here, it's footy.

I more or less agree with you. It's why shorthand is necessary, hence why the term 'false nine' has been put into use.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

I more or less agree with you. It's why shorthand is necessary, hence why the term 'false nine' has been put into use.

I know you're not trying to, but you ain't gonna convince me. Properly coached, the entire 11 should know what they need to do to achieve a result without bullshit terms such as this. If we played Tevez behind Aguero, then Aguero behind Dzeko, then Silva behind Aguero and said to him "play false 9", I love Sergio (he split from Maradona's daughter the same time I split with my ex, after making me cry for another reason a year before), but you'd be met with "Que??"

Let them work hard in training, then just play. It's unnecessary to label what they do in an attempt to understand it.

LOL @ calling it shorthand, and you wrote more than me to describe it :-)

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

:-)


it's bullshit because anyone with an even rudimentary knowledge of the game, even in a 442, knows someone has to sit slightly behind the striker. It's now as simple as saying "wingers need pace" or "defenders should be big". This term "false number" has only come into common parlance in the last 2 decades or so, and it has little to do with what happens on the pitch when playing, and more to do with armchairs trying to understand it. Imho.

Exactly. It has always been part of the game and some teams may drop strikers deeper and more freqently than others. If you only have one striker it still apllies that you can drop deep to get on the ball. Doesn't make it a totally separate style of play/player.

But with a false nine there isn't anyone sitting behind the striker. The false nine is the striker sitting behind where that striker should be. He is the most advanced player in a central position so he's not sat behind anyone. Essentially, the wingers are more advanced than this supposed centre forward. This allows players typically seen as central strikers (in Barcelona's case Eto'o, Henry and Villa) to take up positions high and wide on the wings and they are frequently left in one on one situations.

The false nine occupies the central space between the opposition's defence and midfield (with no teammate directly ahead of him), leaving the wingers pushed high and wide which in turn keeps the opposition's fullbacks pinned back.

It's all about numerical advantage, using space to dictate where your opponent can and can't move and pulling at their defensive structure until you create gaps for your teammates. It's a lazy term, as they so often are in football, but I feel like it describes the position well enough.

Balls - see above.