Derby post match thread 10/09/2016

[SexAndManCity]

Not sure if it's blue tinted specs, but I'm not convinced that Bravo challenge on Rooney was the nailed on penalty and red card that the media would have you believe. It was a bit reckless, but it wasn't two-footed and he won the ball (just).

It wasn't even close. Had he played the ball with his studs, I'd consider that leading with 'studs up', but it's very difficult to make a sliding challenge without raising a foot from the floor (kind of gets in the way otherwise!). He plays the ball with a clean side foot and comes away with the ball at his feet. The write ups make it sound like Rooney got 99% of the ball and Bravo barely flicked it whilst clattering Rooney at the same time. I don't even think he makes contact with Rooney much does he?
It's the sort of challenge Zabba makes (used to make pre Pep) all the time. Plus, people would say Rooney is entitled to go for the ball because he senses a goal scoring opportunity. By the same logic, Bravo is more than entitled as he's (just about) in possession of it currently and trying to prevent a goalscoring opportunity.
I fully understand the concept of a dangerous challenge and had they been going directly at one another and Bravo had led studs up and played the ball with his studs then there's the potential for injury. But he's heading to the left touchline, Rooney is coming straight down the pitch, he slides and wins the ball cleanly with the side of his foot which means the sole of his boot is pointing in a different direction. The day they start giving fouls for clean challenges really will mean the end of tackling.

 

[bumbleblue]

It was a brilliant tackle from Bravo, bit daft to get into that situation but he will learn. That saving tackle was immense and we would be singing the praises of Vinnie or Otamendi if they made it. Studs on ball not over clean as a whistle.

 

[Luck95]

Watched the highlights as i missed the game, very impressed, great performance and a great day, a very happy blue tonight.

 

[Phil1]

It was an uncontrolled committed tackle with studs up.

Ask Kompany.

It wasn't uncontrolled at all. Fuck me, no wonder rags are clinging onto this nonsense when even blues are spouting it.

 

[SamTheGuru]

It wasn't uncontrolled at all. Fuck me, no wonder rags are clinging onto this nonsense when even blues are spouting it.

As soon as he left the ground he no longer had control over force, and his studs were up. Don't start with the petty shit please. This ain't primary school.

 

[lasereyes]

Not sure if it's blue tinted specs, but I'm not convinced that Bravo challenge on Rooney was the nailed on penalty and red card that the media would have you believe. It was a bit reckless, but it wasn't two-footed and he won the ball (just).

On NBC-SN, both Kyle Martino and Lee Dixon said no penalty - was not a studs-up challenge and he clearly won the ball. What was more irritating is there was not one replay nor mention of Bailly's blatant penalty tackle on Otamendi. And nothing in any of the media reports. Also nothing about Fellaini knocking out Kolarov's tooth.

 

[cucumberman]

It was an uncontrolled committed tackle with studs up.

Ask Kompany.

No. Studs on the ball, not over the ball. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the 2013 rule book there's no mention of studs up, just high tackle. If high tackle is to go by, he was an inch, two at most off the grass, and was siding the ball.

 

[Don Karleone]

it's very difficult to make a sliding challenge without raising a foot from the floor

 

[oasis-city-greek-fan]

Βlue Εarth ... The beginning

 

[Phil1]

As soon as he left the ground he no longer had control over force, and his studs were up. Don't start with the petty shit please. This ain't primary school.

Haha! Petty? It's a football forum and I'm disagreeing with you and everyone else who thinks it was a nailed on penalty and red card. It wasn't, and thankfully the ref saw it that way as well. As did the linesman who was only 15 yards away.

 

[SamTheGuru]

No. Studs on the ball, not over the ball. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the 2013 rule book there's no mention of studs up, just high tackle. If high tackle is to go by, he was an inch, two at most off the grass, and was siding the ball.

I thought it was interpreted as studs showing face. I may be wrong though.

 

[SexAndManCity]

As soon as he left the ground he no longer had control over force, and his studs were up. Don't start with the petty shit please. This ain't primary school.

Does the same apply when you're jumping for a header??? He knew exactly where the ball was and he won it cleanly. The contact with Rooney was absolutely minimal at most and only after he won the ball.

 

[dannyirishblue]

but but but bravo should have been sent off lol
EDIT: its actually baillys challenge on ota incase anyone is confused

 

[goalmole]

Clive, BBC News, has got his blue tie on!

Love that guy. Likes to rub it in.

 

[SexAndManCity]

Tell you what. Let's double Sergio's ban and petition the FA to look at this one too, encourage them to give him 6 games even. Will that keep everyone happy? Pretty sure we wouldn't miss either anyway provided we continue this sort of form.

 

[SamTheGuru]

I thought it was interpreted as studs showing face. I may be wrong though.

I know I would be mega pissed if De Gea did it on Aguero. I also know that it wouldn't be given for the reasons that Neville Kneville said.

*I didn't mean to quote myself, the quote seems to have disappeared.

 

[cucumberman]

I thought it was interpreted as studs showing face. I may be wrong though.

No it's interpreted as serious foul play and measured in the case of tackles the use of excessive force. Bravo won the ball fair

 

[SamTheGuru]

No it's interpreted as serious foul play and measured in the case of tackles the use of excessive force. Bravo won the ball fair

Ah yes, I forgot the introduction of excessive force :)

 

[TCIB]

It was an uncontrolled committed tackle with studs up.

Ask Kompany.

I am just responding to your assertion it was 'definite' when it simply isn't, i could dig out 50 tackles where foot height and control similar and they have took the ball and been applauded. I am not being argumentative, it is just the reality.

Look at the below video, i would argue that these are held up as great tackles and many have similar stud height and also won the ball, so there is nothing 'definite' at all regarding it being a red card.

 

[SamTheGuru]

I am just responding to your assertion it was 'definite' when it simply isn't, i could dig out 50 tackles where foot height and control similar and they have took the ball and been applauded. I am not being argumentative, it is just the reality.

Look at the below video, i would argue that these are held up as great tackles and many have similar stud height and also won the ball, so there is nothing 'definite' at all regarding it being a red card.

To be fair, the majority of those tackles have no direct impact on the player. I just think, with the modern interpretation of consistency, I would be pissed if De Gea did that to Aguero,