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nellyonthewing said:
The 'establishment' and the liberal bubbles they live in ignore the concerns of the 'real people' . The 'real people' may be ignorant,prejudiced, ill informed but they should be respected. As with Brexit there is a reaction to being told we are bigoted , racist,little Englanders etc.
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Precisely.

'Stupid', 'ill-informed', 'uneducated' etc... how are 'liberals' (and I use that term loosely) opinions of people they criticise mean that their vote is any less valid? Do they feel that a persons intelligence denotes whether that makes a person worthy of a vote, or is any less of a person? Smart or 'dumb, black or white, male or female, people are people.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Did Gorbachev teleport forward into a new century to create this revisionism, then ;)

Russia ran out of Roubles and the wall came down. Game over.
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No, it's called primary sourcing rather than Fox News et al.... Try reading some gore Vidal, rather than colonel sanders American pie chronicles...

It was Gorbachev who put forward the idea of soviet disarmament in 84, well before there economy is in the toilet.

Gorbachev's dialogue with Ronald Reagan on security matters was not merely an admission that the Soviet Union was no longer able to compete with the United States in the nuclear arms race; a different Soviet leader could have continued playing dangerous games with the Americans for much longer. Gorbachev decided voluntarily to renounce the maintenance of the nuclear threat as a way of propping up the Soviet system...... They didn't give him the noble fucking peace prize because the country was skint, it was because he from his early tenure wanted every nation to have the right to choose its own government... This was all randy regan though, fuck me...

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kevin horlocks wand said:
Yes this summed up by the acceptance in the media and establishment that black and Hispanic voting on block one way is ok .

However if white people vote a particular way they are uneducated racists and it's some kind of backlash ( or whitewash as someone just called it) ...

These divisions between men , women black white etc etc are often exacerbated by this and analysis . Why do we need to put people in boxes and categories all the time.
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Here endeth the lesson.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
No, it's called primary sourcing rather than Fox News et al.... Try reading some gore Vidal, rather than colonel sanders American pie chronicles...

It was Gorbachev who put forward the idea of soviet disarmament in 84, well before there economy is in the toilet.

Gorbachev's dialogue with Ronald Reagan on security matters was not merely an admission that the Soviet Union was no longer able to compete with the United States in the nuclear arms race; a different Soviet leader could have continued playing dangerous games with the Americans for much longer. Gorbachev decided voluntarily to renounce the maintenance of the nuclear threat as a way of propping up the Soviet system...... They didn't give him the noble fucking peace prize because the country was skint, it was because he from his early tenure wanted every nation to have the right to choose its own government... This was all randy regan though, fuck me...

And cut......
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I love it when a sibling argument weaponises Gore Vidal.
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
No, it's called primary sourcing rather than Fox News et al.... Try reading some gore Vidal, rather than colonel sanders American pie chronicles...

It was Gorbachev who put forward the idea of soviet disarmament in 84, well before there economy is in the toilet.

Gorbachev's dialogue with Ronald Reagan on security matters was not merely an admission that the Soviet Union was no longer able to compete with the United States in the nuclear arms race; a different Soviet leader could have continued playing dangerous games with the Americans for much longer. Gorbachev decided voluntarily to renounce the maintenance of the nuclear threat as a way of propping up the Soviet system...... They didn't give him the noble fucking peace prize because the country was skint, it was because he from his early tenure wanted every nation to have the right to choose its own government... This was all randy regan though, fuck me...

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And still have poor Mikhail operating in the wrong fucking century - keep up, bro!

"Mr Gorbachev, please tear down this wall"

For the record, he was a brilliant man (for the 20th century ;)

But it takes two tribes to go to war and two to tango.
 
laserblue said:
It's no coincidence that the (generally) more sophisticated and outward looking states on the west coast and the north east coast voted for Clinton while most (but not all) of Trump's successes were in the states in the middle and south of the country where there are a lot of hicks, rednecks, isolationists and reactionaries. Cloetus and Billy Bob have got a lot to answer for.
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Maybe previous presidents (Democrat and Republican) have got a lot to answer for for not giving two shits about Cloetus and Billy Bob. Why should their opinions and problems be less worthy than more educated, outward looking people?
 
cibaman said:
I wasnt 100% paying attention to it. But I have two young grandsons and one line from it sounded like it had been taken from Paw Patrol.
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He also did a Hughie Green by saying "I mean that most sincerely" after saying nice things about Clinton.
 
CityStu said:
Maybe previous presidents (Democrat and Republican) have got a lot to answer for for not giving two shits about Cloetus and Billy Bob. Why should their opinions and problems be less worthy than more educated, outward looking people?
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...because most of the money is made on the liberal coasts.
 
Don't blame me......
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buckshot said:
Theoretically congress can sort stop something from happening. But the president can deploy the Marines w/o anybody's consent as well as launch nuclear warheads. But right now republicans and the tea party control both houses of congress so there is no opposition with any power at all. He is absolutely the most powerful person on the planet. He also flies into rage and calls for violence against anybody who criticizes him. Do you honestly think that al-Qaeda and ISIS won't want to push his buttons so he'll do something crazy and make the rest of the world hate us? And when that happens he'll just continue to double down until we have WW3. Putin will work him like a puppet and things are going to get very bad.

When W was elected I was right when I guaranteed we'd be invading Iraq and that was nothing my friend. When one of our boats drifted into Iranian waters both Trump and likely Secretary of Defense Ted Cruz called for us to unleash our full military on them. Meanwhile John Kerry negotiated their release withing 24 hrs. There will be no more "Let's talk to them and see if we can work it out", we'll be invading other countries for the slightest sense of a threat.
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I think you've bought into the hyperbole that he was selling.
 
So, the yanks go for a blustering fruitcake over a dodgy charletan.
It was always going to be one hell of a laugh either way.
 
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