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The trouble with this stuff is that once he's done it, and his supporters realise that its made absolutely no difference to their daily lives, the pressure will be on him to take even more extreme action
 
aguero93:20 said:
I'm not sure what animal these steaks are made from, but they're terrific steaks, the best ever.
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I will 2nd that - whenever travelling to the US Prime Rib and steaks are the regular diet - be great to be able to get that quality in the UK
 
@BluePhil8 said:
What a surprise. Trump is actually fulfilling all those campaign pledges...
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@BluePhil8,

You sound so proud that he is still saying he is going to build that wall and "keep another promise!" Perhaps I missed it, but when did Mexico give the US the money to build it?

It is as if he hasn't heard of rope, ladder, shovel or tunnel, isn't it?!

Will the wall have a one way turnstiles in it? I only ask, because Mexican immigration is a net OUTFLOW FROM the U.S. not TO the U.S.

Now, don't get me wrong, as a legal immigrant who had to jump through hoops to get to stay in America (much harder to be British than some other nationalities when trying to stay, believe it or not! Brits not allowed to partake of the lottery, unlike, say, the Irish!) I'm not a big fan of ILLEGAL immigrants. However, it is yet another dirty little American secret that "illegals" do many, many jobs that "legals" won't do, and they are considered not only very hardworking, but honest and very family oriented.

I wonder how you feel about the Republican Cabinet nominee who recently had to fire his illegal? And, yes, I said it like he owned the person for a reason!

We don't have open slavery in the U.S. anymore, but to say worker exploitation doesn't exist would be foolhardy, as evidenced by the wave of anti-unionism that is sweeping the country with all of these "rugged individuals" who now identify as Republicans! The irony is that they long for the return of those well-paid union jobs that got shipped offshore so the companies could rid themselves of those very costs like healthcare, pensions, decent wages...and Americans wonder where their Middle Class went?! YCMIU!

P.S. How do you feel about the gag order on Government workers? Or the removal of funding from Environmental Protection? So proud of those two nuggets, too?
 
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@BluePhil8 said:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/us/politics/wall-border-trump.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/24/politics/donald-trump-immigration-refugees/index.html

So, The Wall is actually happening, despite what everyone was saying here as recently as last night.

According to the media (so could be a complete fabrication I admit) The Wall will be signed in to action on Wednesday (TODAY).

What a surprise. Trump is actually fulfilling all those campaign pledges...



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He's a fucking nutter. I mean Jesus H Christ.

Let's see his plan and magnitude and how much it will cost?

But, still, what a signal the leader of the free world is sending to us all.

Physical walls. Trade walls and Tariffs. Alternative facts daily.

Dawkins Help Us.

It really looks like we will be entering a really bad place as a species and a planet and he hasn't finished a week.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/us/politics/wall-border-trump.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/24/politics/donald-trump-immigration-refugees/index.html

So, The Wall is actually happening, despite what everyone was saying here as recently as last night.

According to the media (so could be a complete fabrication I admit) The Wall will be signed in to action on Wednesday (TODAY).

What a surprise. Trump is actually fulfilling all those campaign pledges...



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I expect to see proof that he's started work on digging the foundations before Friday morning in that case.
 
Is it weird that he's doing everything by executive order whilst having majorities in both houses?
 
ChicagoBlue said:
@BluePhil8,

You sound so proud that he is still saying he is going to build that wall and "keep another promise!" Perhaps I missed it, but when did Mexico give the US the money to build it?

It is as if he hasn't heard of rope, ladder, shovel or tunnel, isn't it?!

Will the wall have a one way turnstiles in it? I only ask, because Mexican immigration is a net OUTFLOW FROM the U.S. not TO the U.S.

Now, don't get me wrong, as a legal immigrant who had to jump through hoops to get to stay in America (much harder to be British than some other nationalities when trying to stay, believe it or not! Brits not allowed to partake of the lottery, unlike, say, the Irish!) I'm not a big fan of ILLEGAL immigrants. However, it is yet another dirty little American secret that "illegals" do many, many jobs that "legals" won't do, and they are considered not only very hardworking, but honest and very family oriented.

I wonder how you feel about the Republican Cabinet nominee who recently had to fire his illegal? And, yes, I said it like he owned the person for a reason!

We don't have open slavery in the U.S. anymore, but to say worker exploitation doesn't exist would be foolhardy, as evidenced by the wave of anti-unionism that is sweeping the country with all of these "rugged individuals" who now identify as Republicans! The irony is that they long for the return of those well-paid union jobs that got shipped offshore so the companies could rid themselves of those very costs like healthcare, pensions, decent wages...and Americans wonder where their Middle Class went?! YCMIU!

P.S. How do you feel about the gag order on Government workers? Or the removal of funding from Environmental Protection? So proud of those two nuggets, too?
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Chicago, you had to go through the regular channel to immigrate legally, despite it being a long and difficult process. Yet at the end of it all you did it the correct way, you are documented, you are legal, you pay taxes.

This is Mexico we are talking about. I know the cartels are terrible but the immigrants aren’t fleeing a war torn third world country. To put it in context for everyone, the latest figure I can find is from 2014 and estimates that 5.8 million Mexicans are living in the US illegally.

I’m sure some people will tunnel, some people will climb and some people may even catapult themselves over the wall. However they will be few and far between. But it’s not just an issue of illegal immigration; it’s also the issue of human trafficking and drug running over the border which will be much harder once the wall is in place.

The argument of ‘no nationals want the low skill jobs’ is one that was heard in the UK regarding the EU and low skilled Eastern European migrants. How true is it? It’s probably impossible to measure. To some extent you will have some bums in the UK and US who don’t want any job and just want to sit on their arse collecting benefits/welfare. Anecdotally I don’t know anyone who’s that proud that they would reject a job. I’ve worked call centre jobs, retail jobs and all of my mates have held jobs in fast food restaurants, retail etc. I think the number of ‘layabouts’ is disproportionately blown up by the media, especially in the UK where you have a number of newspapers waging war on the working class. Again anecdotally, a lot of the low skilled workers in the UK from those countries like Poland do have a tremendous work ethic. However you can’t pick and choose who comes in, you get the good and you also get the bad who just want free housing and access to the NHS and you also get the criminals. Going back to Mexico though, those people with a great work ethic can still bring it to the US, however they like you will now have to go through the legal channels. What is wrong with that?

I have mixed feelings about anyone hiring illegals, politician or not, because it’s not a black and white situation. On the one hand, that person SHOULDN’T be in the country and isn’t documented and could hypothetically be doing a job that a legal immigrant/national needs and by being here illegally they put themselves at risk of exploitation. On the other hand in reality that person IS in the country and now they are they need a job to eat and live and if they are willing to work, what is the solution? As to the politician doing the hiring, I hope he paid the worker a fair and honest wage otherwise I hope he receives a substantial fine/charge which I believe is what we do in the UK.

Worker exploitation exists everywhere; we are all slaves to our employees. That’s not exclusive to the US.

Not particularly proud of those two, no.
 
west didsblue said:
Lots of reports that he was repeating this claim yesterday.

Do the Trumpers on here agree with him?
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Do I agree with him? Maybe, until there is a paper published with the hard figures of illegal voters it's impossible to say. However voter fraud does happen and illegals do vote and if you think they are voting for Republicans you are wrong.

But the popular vote isn't relevant, both candidates knew the rules heading in. If Trump had to win the popular vote he would have campaigned in New York and San Francisco instead of in the swing states.

Reminds me of Liverpool fans a few years ago saying 'if we didn't hit the post 17 times this season and instead had scored we would have won the league'. So what?
 
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west didsblue said:
Lots of reports that he was repeating this claim yesterday.

Do the Trumpers on here agree with him?
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Yer might not agree with him, but yer gotta laugh! He's one funny guy.

There's many ways in which the Yanquis can get the Mexes to pay for the wall without actually writing Uncle Sam a cheque!

Interesting that one of the French presidential candidates, M. Fillon, is suggesting that France will abandon the Schengen Agreement and go back to previous border controls. Clearest indication yet that the EU apparatatchiks didn't have a bloody clue when it came to border security and protecting a nation's population!
 
@BluePhil8 said:
But the popular vote isn't relevant, both candidates knew the rules heading in. If Trump had to win the popular vote he would have campaigned in New York and San Francisco instead of in the swing states.
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Totally irrelevant. It's the same with our own referendum. The UK voted to leave. But we then are told that Gtr London and Scotland voted to remain, so the vote for the UK isn't valid! It's political bankruptcy. I don't remember Clinton suggesting that the Electoral College was a stitch up, because she thought she was gonna win that one.

How many UK parliamentary constituencies don't deliver an overall majority for one candidate over all the others, and yet no one says that the majority of voters didn't vote for Candidate X therefore he/she has no legitimacy!

It'd be like City fans saying that we had most possession therefore we should get the points.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
But the popular vote isn't relevant, both candidates knew the rules heading in. If Trump had to win the popular vote he would have campaigned in New York and San Francisco instead of in the swing states.
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We know that. Why is Trump so bothered that he keeps lying about it. It's obviously important to him.
 
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