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He's just barking mad isn't he. Stark raving barking mad. I had assumed, as I guess perhaps most of us did, that he would rein in the nonsense once he got elected, but none of it. In fact he's got his foot flat down on the bonkers pedal.

Putting his more barmy ideas about walls and immigrants and what-have-you to one side for a moment, how on this god's earth does he imagine that protectionism is going to make America better off???

Let me give you one tiny example of the US' failing rust-belt industries and why this will never work: Steel. Bethlehem Steel (I know them since they were a customer of ours at the company I worked for at the time) went bust because they could not manufacture the right quality of steel at a competitive price. So now Trump wants to force US manufacturers to use US-produced steel, either by legislation or by imposing high tariffs on imported steel. Now, how would *forcing* Ford and General Motors for example to buy more expensive, uncompetitive steel, going to help their motor industry? Of course it would do the exact opposite. It would make cars more expensive, which would mean lower car sales, lower profits and workers being made redundant. And Americans having to pay more for their cars, and changing them less. Meaning less money in the car retail chain and more redundancies. And Americans with less money to spend generally, so a depressed economy and more redundancies.

This is all assuming of course that you can take a 30 year old steel plant that's been rusting away and switch it back on again at all. Let alone make competitive product. And of course you cannot. And the people who had the skills to run it have since died, or left town anyway.

Trump has it in his feeble brain that cheap imports have been bad for America, whereas of course the opposite is true. Being able to buy a 50" TV for $300 is a marvellous thing. It means you have $1,700 in your pocket to spend on other things. It would be in nobody's interest to push the prices of the TV's back up to $2,000 would it.

Protectionist policies may in the short term provide a small boost for some struggling domestic US businesses, but at the far greater detriment to the US economy as a whole. It's a bonkers policy from a bonkers president. That the man purports to be a Republican is quite bizarre. In this particular regard he's as left and as bonkers as Corbyn.
 
Chippy_boy said:
He's just barking mad isn't he. Stark raving barking mad. I had assumed, as I guess perhaps most of us did, that he would rein in the nonsense once he got elected, but none of it. In fact he's got his foot flat down on the bonkers pedal.

Putting his more barmy ideas about walls and immigrants and what-have-you to one side for a moment, how on this god's earth does he imagine that protectionism is going to make America better off???

Let me give you one tiny example of the US' failing rust-belt industries and why this will never work: Steel. Bethlehem Steel (I know them since they were a customer of ours at the company I worked for at the time) went bust because they could not manufacture the right quality of steel at a competitive price. So now Trump wants to force US manufacturers to use US-produced steel, either by legislation or by imposing high tariffs on imported steel. Now, how would *forcing* Ford and General Motors for example to buy more expensive, uncompetitive steel, going to help their motor industry? Of course it would do the exact opposite. It would make cars more expensive, which would mean lower car sales, lower profits and workers being made redundant. And Americans having to pay more for their cars, and changing them less. Meaning less money in the car retail chain and more redundancies. And Americans with less money to spend generally, so a depressed economy and more redundancies.

This is all assuming of course that you can take a 30 year old steel plant that's been rusting away and switch it back on again at all. Let alone make competitive product. And of course you cannot. And the people who had the skills to run it have since died, or left town anyway.

Trump has it in his feeble brain that cheap imports have been bad for America, whereas of course the opposite is true. Being able to buy a 50" TV for $300 is a marvellous thing. It means you have $1,700 in your pocket to spend on other things. It would be in nobody's interest to push the prices of the TV's back up to $2,000 would it.

Protectionist policies may in the short term provide a small boost for some struggling domestic US businesses, but at the far greater detriment to the US economy as a whole. It's a bonkers policy from a bonkers president. That the man purports to be a Republican is quite bizarre. In this particular regard he's as left and as bonkers as Corbyn.
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I think you're doing Corbyn a disservice and I'm certainly no fan of his.

You're right. Trump's bonkers. I hope there is a secret senate and house committee putting together the evidence for his early impeachment. Sticking with this lunatic as the leader of the free world can only end one way.
 
west didsblue said:
I think you're doing Corbyn a disservice and I'm certainly no fan of his.

You're right. Trump's bonkers. I hope there is a secret senate and house committee putting together the evidence for his early impeachment. Sticking with this lunatic as the leader of the free world can only end one way.
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Prosperity and an increase in the use of that beautiful hairstyle.
 
he seems to be sticking to a lot of his campaign promises. its quite refreshing to see actually, not that i agree with them. but usually it doesnt happen.

if he creates jobs, keeps crime down and reduces/ controls immigration he will be very popular amongst americans imo.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
he seems to be sticking to a lot of his campaign promises. its quite refreshing to see actually, not that i agree with them. but usually it doesnt happen.

if he creates jobs, keeps crime down and reduces/ controls immigration he will be very popular amongst americans imo.
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Its something his detractors just won't even accept.

I don't like him, he's a loon. But he is doing exactly what he said he would do. If I was mad enough to vote for him, I'd be very happy right now(because this is obviously what his voters wanted).

Now how many people wish their chosen candidates around the world would actually fulfil their promises? It never happens. Ever. until this madman.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
So President Trump has asked for an investigation in to voter fraud and even that is met with disbelief and outrage. If the investigation turns up no evidence you will be vindicated won’t you, so surely you should be happy? I don’t see why having a voter ID in the states is a bad thing, but I’m sure you can tell me why it is.
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As it's the ACLU I'm sure you'll dismiss.

https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

Will this be an independent investigation or will it be carried out by the newly formed department of alternative facts?
 
I'm american and I was hoping all of his campaign promises would go out the window once he won. Sadly this doesn't seem to be the case.
Walls, anti immigration, anti regulation and climate change denier, now it appears he is even fulfilling his promises to bring torture back. Awesome.

Only one he hasn't followed through on is to drain the swamp. Instead just brought in an even swampier swamp.
 
Is see that Trump and his innate racist policies are resulting in calls from Mexican senators to their president to call off meeting with the Grand Wuzard. One way Oh **** face is considering getting Mexico to pay fir the wall is stopping transfer payments back home to family. In other words threatening to stealing their money.

What a total piece of shit that lowlife bastard is. Despicable scumbag.

And in the Middle East.

Taliban and Iraqi clerics

A declaration of war on Islam if he moves Embassy to Jerusalem.

I would prefer he went to speak to them personally, as he can do a great deal with them. They will be ordering bibles in no time and it may also prevent innocent people dying.

Go on tough guy. Go visit them and tell them what you think of them you draft dodging cowardly ****.

I had hoped that this was too mental even for the infantile one, but after the last few days, I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
he seems to be sticking to a lot of his campaign promises. its quite refreshing to see actually, not that i agree with them. but usually it doesnt happen.

if he creates jobs, keeps crime down and reduces/ controls immigration he will be very popular amongst americans imo.
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'If he creates jobs'.
He may well do in the short term.
But in the longer term as U.S. goods become more expensive and spending is cut and other countries retaliate with protectionist policies then jobs in the U.S. will be lost.
Same with immigration.Texans won't be happy to pay more for window cleaning,pest control, maintenance of their homes. Same throughout the rest of the U.S.where 'folks' have to come to rely on cheap services provided by low wage immigrants.
' Keep crime down'. Yeah right, by sending in the Feds? You won't reduce crime significantly (if at all )unless the underlying causes are addressed as well, and he won't do that.
 
Its only what he said he'd do, and they elected him because they wanted it. Only yesterday the 'liberal' media were calling him out for not fulfilling his pre election promises, now he is they feign outrage.
He might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb I suppose.
 
Len Rum said:
'If he creates jobs'.
He may well do in the short term.
But in the longer term as U.S. goods become more expensive and spending is cut and other countries retaliate with protectionist policies then jobs in the U.S. will be lost.
Same with immigration.Texans won't be happy to pay more for window cleaning,pest control, maintenance of their homes. Same throughout the rest of the U.S.where 'folks' have to come to rely on cheap services provided by low wage immigrants.
' Keep crime down'. Yeah right, by sending in the Feds? You won't reduce crime significantly (if at all )unless the underlying causes are addressed as well, and he won't do that.
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the majority of people want reduced immigration though, same in most countries. hes not going to turn around and say we aren't going to reduce it because you might have to pay cleaners more or it may effect cheap services.. immigration isn't going to just stop, there will still be immigrants doing those jobs. like i said if jobs are created, especially in some of those rust belt states he'll be popular. jobs were already being lost anyway by the thousands before trump.....

i dont think any president has been or will be able to do that. whats wrong with sending in feds ? btw. get control of the the gang crimes and criminal activity. what exactly was obama doing on that ? it actually got worse under him. at least hes trying to do something about it.

i dont agree with all his policies. but i think some of them are actually quite good. you seem to be against any of his polices. eveything he does will end up awful in your opinion. i dont think he will end up beign that tbh.
 
British readers turning to Orwell's 1984 as Trump takes power

Readers may see parallels in the new president’s approach to the truth, with adviser Kellyanne Conway referring to demonstrably false claims about the attendance at his inauguration as “alternative facts”. The 1949 novel depicts a world full of totalitarian coping techniques, including “doublethink”, or the ability to hold contradictory thoughts in one’s head simultaneously, and a government department called the Ministry of Truth, for whom 2+2=5 if the regime needs it to.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/culture/books/british-readers-turn-1984-donald-trump-takes-power/
 
PinkFinal said:
British readers turning to Orwell's 1984 as Trump takes power

Readers may see parallels in the new president’s approach to the truth, with adviser Kellyanne Conway referring to demonstrably false claims about the attendance at his inauguration as “alternative facts”. The 1949 novel depicts a world full of totalitarian coping techniques, including “doublethink”, or the ability to hold contradictory thoughts in one’s head simultaneously, and a government department called the Ministry of Truth, for whom 2+2=5 if the regime needs it to.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/culture/books/british-readers-turn-1984-donald-trump-takes-power/
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This was pointed out the other day by @west didsblue. Trump is more 19Hatey4.
 
PinkFinal said:
British readers turning to Orwell's 1984 as Trump takes power

Readers may see parallels in the new president’s approach to the truth, with adviser Kellyanne Conway referring to demonstrably false claims about the attendance at his inauguration as “alternative facts”. The 1949 novel depicts a world full of totalitarian coping techniques, including “doublethink”, or the ability to hold contradictory thoughts in one’s head simultaneously, and a government department called the Ministry of Truth, for whom 2+2=5 if the regime needs it to.

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/culture/books/british-readers-turn-1984-donald-trump-takes-power/
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1984 was written a few years after the Nazis were in power in Germany as a warning against totalitarianism leading to a dystopian world. For Trump it seems like he's using it as a template for government. This is, of course, coincidental as it is well known that he doesn't like reading books without pictures.
 
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