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Unfortunately, the UK doesn't have the economic muscle to lay down the law to manufacturers chasing cheap labour and higher profits, but clearly, the US does, and Trump is proving that intervention can work. Surely this is a good thing?

Don't eat that pudding just yet, The Donald hasn't even made it yet!

Yes, he has told you what he is planning to put in it, and has even got a dish or two out, but we are so far from declaring the pudding edible, let alone County Fair Grand Prize winner, that I fear you may die of starvation waiting for the moment.

FWIW, he is soon going to find out that the rest of the world doesn't need America as much as America needs the rest of the world. We all love that America is a big island that insulates us from the vagaries of the outside world. However, when you look at the trade deficits, the movement of money, and the historical reasons for the strength of the dollar, we are in danger of overplaying a hand that has not worked very well for decades. That pair of eights is a sucker hand.

Lest you forget, globalism is here to stay, until a nationalistic war causes people to choose sides and for money and capital flows to reverse. Is THAT the plan?! I hope not!

What Trump has said and done is MARGINAL CHICANERY at best, and cynical appeasement of the poor and uneducated at worst. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

What you REALLY need to do is NOT watch what is happening in the hand that he is waving around with much flourish, but keep an eye on the hand you think isn't moving, because it is THAT HAND that is doing all the damage to the society you appear to believe in.

As I said on another post...watch and see...just don't get drawn in by the smoke and mirrors.
 
Yeah, life's a bitch mate.
As long as you're alright.
Whatever happened to boy George, that was a lot of fuss wasn't it?

There's a lot worse things happening around the world than what Donald Trump is doing.

Your moral outrage only seems to stretch to western governments.
 
There's a lot worse things happening around the world than what Donald Trump is doing.

Your moral outrage only seems to stretch to western governments.
True there are a lot of worse happening globally.
Teresa ( without the 'h') is ok then, Don's good, hard Brexit, poorer UK, maybe even Britapore BUT there are "worse things happening around the world".
Job's a good 'un.
 
Congratulations! I know how hard that is, especially with a theoretical degree that doesn't really apply to the real world around us, because of that pesky "all other things being equal" Get Out of Jail Free card that economists like to use. It is amusing that there are economists who believe they have conclusive proof that BOTH sides of the argument work! I have a few friends who are economists and this is a regular bone of contention, seeing that they are on diametrically opposed sides in most economic/political arguments! ;-) What a ridiculous statement. Let me guess, someone without any qualifications in the subject area is better placed to get to the heart of the matter.... I thought you wanted a serious conversation!

It is amusing that in one post you tout his bonafides as a Billionaire, who has made his money from globalization - Wrong again, you need to google globalisation., yet somehow believe that this masquerade about America First is meant to put money back in the pockets of the Rust Belt middle class, which is gone forever.

While I certainly agree that the concentration of wealth in the world is a bad thing, I think it is a leap too far to suggest that Trump's plans are ANYTHING to do with REAL globalization - Hmmm- the fact that one of his first actions was to opt out of TPP doesn't mean a thing to you? Let's see where he goes from here but as far as displaying his intentions early he couldn't have made a bigger statement. Rather, they are about making a show of fulfilling the campaign promises he made, that themselves were built on the fears of the uneducated and unwilling. He is making a big show because he is an illusionist....and the real show is elsewhere, where he is making serious changes to the power structure in American politics TO SERVE HIMSELF. He is a carnival barker...and that is being generous.-you have no idea what he will of will not do, it is far too early for us all, but don't let that get in the way of your certainty.



For at least two generations, the western attitude to the Middle East has been a function of appeasement and containment. Give us the oil, we'll give you the money, stay in your lane.

More recently, since the Wahabbi's made it so clear they believe that their rulers (the House of Saud) were not adhering to the tenets of their religion in favor of playing nice with the infidels in the west for wealth, we have become an easy target.-Who has become an easy target, please don't tell me that America only bombed the shit out of Iraq, (lets not forget those nasty WMD's), Libya (we didn't really like their leader), Syria (we didn't really like their leader either) and Afghanistan (we're hunting for some guy on dialysis in the mountains of Afghanistan) because they were scared because they were an easy target? However, it is the very profitable business of fear that has created this monster, not the reality of proportion, even though death has been brought to the door of Americans. Donald LOVES that fear, uses that fear, and exploits it to do things like he did this weekend. -This fear has been created by Bush and Obama for executing the ultimate Muslim radicalisation programme.

The Cato Institute, a CONSERVATIVE THINK TANK that is no friend of liberals, has counted the number of Americans killed in America by citizens of the seven countries on Trump immigration ban since 1975 (that's even before the hostages were taken at the American Embassy in Iran, which many believe was the day terrorism came home to America). From 1975 to 2015, a period of 40 years, there were ZERO. SEVEN COUNTRIES...ZERO KILLED.

However, when looking at the countries INSIDE the "Circle of Terror" those seven countries create (see a map), Egypt is responsible for 162 deaths, UAE 314 deaths and the grand daddy Saudi Arabia citizens are responsible for 2,369 deaths of Americans on American soil. Hmmmm...why no immigration ban for those 3 countries?? I'm sure it isn't the FACT that there are no Trump Hotels in those 7 countries, but there are Trump Hotels and other business ventures in Egypt, UAE, and Saudi, is it??! - That's a belter!"That is your most ridiculous statement so far, Trump has chosen the 7 countries because he doesn't have any hotels there!!! Do you know where Trump got his list of 7 countries from? I would however, like to see Saudi Arabia on the list. Why do you think Obama did nothing to deter the actions of the House of Saud? Do you think it might have had something to do with the massive arms deal Hillary was selling them?



So, things Clinton said scared you, but things Trump said, and continues to say, don't? Uh huh! Got it! Don't understand it, but now understand that the propaganda campaign was successful on you. - I gave you a specific example of Clinton effectively saying she was prepared to go to war with Russia. That didn't cause you to think she might not be the right person to have her finger on the nuclear button? It's not propaganda, I saw her say it with my own eyes. How has CNN spun that one for you?



There is rhetoric and then there is action. You have fallen for the rhetoric, seen his Executive Orders (many of which REQUIRE Comgressional funding, so the jury is out on them) and somehow believe he is moving in the right direction? Did you see what he just did to his National Security Council? Did you see thathe removed any mention of the Jews from his Holocaust statement, on the same day he makes the Muslim ban? -It was his first week, he couldn't have done more. You have no idea that it is rhetoric, CNN may have told you it is, but let's wait and see before deciding shall we?
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He is the loosest of loose cannons. - Another ridiculous statement after one week in office.



See above. And, that 46 number is right out of the mouth of the Alternative Facts Lady herself! -let me check, you are saying this is incorrect? Has Trump "the racist" banned all Muslims?



My wife might preferto answer that comment herself, seeing as she was one of the millions who marched. However, she is not here, so I will simply say that women, who make up over half the country, are sick and tired of old, white males telling them what they can and cannot do with their own bodies by cutting off access to their healthcare, not even coming close to enacting an Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, and consistently denying their rights. Even Trump himself, pussy-grabber-in-chief surrounded himself with those old white men when he was signing his Executive Order to defund family planning.-I have no intention of being disrespectful to you wife, but can I respectfully ask if she considered protesting when Obama was creating carnage and devastation in the Middle East? As for "family planning", don't you just love the way they make the murder of an unborn innocent baby sound so reasonable. Pass me the blender nurse!

Trump is a first order twat who is masquerading as an all-American hero, because that is his schtick. Unfortunately, some have chosen to accept that schtick at face value without the necessary critical thought of compiling other data that suggests he is absolutely NOT the American Altruist he proclaims himself to be. Watch and see.
- after years of smooth Obama doing very little, America now has a leader with a vision and who seems to know how to implement and execute that vision. In four years time will he be an American hero or will he fall flat on his face and be kicked out? Right now nobody knows, except of course the condescending, superior, left wing progressives. Whatever happens, God save us from them.
 
True there are a lot of worse happening globally.
Teresa ( without the 'h') is ok then, Don's good, hard Brexit, poorer UK, maybe even Britapore BUT there are "worse things happening around the world".
Job's a good 'un.

Theresa is doing the right thing

Don's a pillock but again there's worse out there

Brexit is a good thing

The UK isn't poorer and we've not even left yet

Stop getting hysterical
 
- after years of smooth Obama doing very little, America now has a leader with a vision and who seems to know how to implement and execute that vision. In four years time will he be an American hero or will he fall flat on his face and be kicked out? Right now nobody knows, except of course the condescending, superior, left wing progressives. Whatever happens, God save us from them.
Nurse!
 
I didn't mention world poverty. I said globalisation was bad for the west. Have a look at the growth rates of real incomes for average families in the UK for instance.
I see - so you prefer a wealthier west and not alleviating world poverty?
 
I see - so you prefer a wealthier west and not alleviating world poverty?[/QUOT

Globalisation isn't a solution to alleviating world poverty. Yes. some poorer countries have benefited but world poverty still exists. There are other solutions to alleviating world poverty that don't represent a threat to the west.
 
- after years of smooth Obama doing very little, America now has a leader with a vision and who seems to know how to implement and execute that vision. In four years time will he be an American hero or will he fall flat on his face and be kicked out? Right now nobody knows, except of course the condescending, superior, left wing progressives. Whatever happens, God save us from them.

I think I know, and I voted for Reagan. And the first Bush. And Romney.

But I could be wrong.

Incidentally, you lay out these well-reasoned, thoughtful arguments in support of your boy. Well done. Food for thought whether I agree or not

But then . . . Then you offer the same tired, witless, dismissive generalizations a thicky would about those who don't support your boy.

Which makes me think your wisdom, such that it is, is received.
 
George W Bush - 978
Barrack Obama - 758
Donald Trump -7

Question - what is the relationship between the above mentioned USA presidents and the numbers shown against their names?

Answer - the number of days between their inauguration and their invitation to a state visit.
 
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If Trump is making it unattractive to move to the states unless you meet x criteria that can only be good for us once we get to act independently right?. What is stopping those put of going to work for a US tech firm to coming here? seems good for us.
 
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