UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Centurions]

Really missed you PB. You are one of the few on here who actually know what they are talking about. Thanks.

Yep, welcome back PB.

 

[BAB.DAB]

There’s only 7 of us tbf ;)

Sneezy, sleepy, bashful, doc, grumpy, happy and you!

 

[KS55]

Because, as ever, you're barking up the wrong tree. In fact, possibly in a different forest.

Owing money on transfers is fairly standard, and not against any rules. Even if the 84M is correct (and it is the Mail quoting it), if Liverpool aren't complaining, why would anyone else? The accounts certainly don't care.

Everyone knows that debt per se has nothing to do with FFP as passed. Utd are fine by the rules, so why would they be punished?

As far as I know, UEFA aren't currently pursuing City for breach of FFP; the allegation under investigation is that City lied about figures provided.

Yoy are right of course. These numbers show why it was wrong not to regulate debt. Platini called debt cheating, and he should know. Of course the biggest debtors at the time were Barca, Real, Arsenal, and the rags.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Yoy are right of course. These numbers show why it was wrong not to regulate debt. Platini called debt cheating, and he should know. Of course the biggest debtors at the time were Barca, Real, Arsenal, and the rags.

At one point he actually named the rags and Chelsea as the worst ‘cheats’, totally ignoring his Iberian and Italian buddies.
He was both accurate and deliberately misleading at the same time. If you read back some of the interviews he gave from 2008 (coincidence? I don’t think so) he was scathing about the debtors and how they were cheating better run clubs of their chance to win the CL.
Well, we can all now see a debt free, better run club, who are being cheated out of our chance of winning the CL, but in a rather different way, and for other reasons.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

If you think the farce surrounding UEFA and their cartel clubs couldn’t get any worse.

Daily Fail.

Barcelona still owe £84MILLION to the banks over Philippe Coutinho deal with Liverpool as their accounts show the incredible extent of their £232m debt to clubs for big-money transfers.

However, Spanish outlet AS have reported Barcelona's annual accounts which show how much the club owes others within football, and it’s Liverpool which stands out.

From the original Coutinho fee, it’s stated £84m is still to be paid.

There is also no suggestion that this outstanding debt is related to bonuses.

£24m of that amount is considered to be due in the ‘short term’, although the accounts provide no precise time-frame.

The new information will be of concern to Barca fans, the club owing £232m to clubs in total. In turn they are owed £67m, £22m of which Everton are responsible for.

transfer fee payments will be negotiated and contracted for, and are normally paid in installments, hence why Arsenal chose Pepe over Zaha. That's really been made out to be far more than it is, short term just means that's what they owe within the next year.

If they started to fail to meet those payment deadlines, then they'd have a problem.

 

[rabby]

Yep, that's fair, but unknown really. If Barcelona can get someone to give them 600M, good for them. I don't think we can complain about that without looking hypocritical.

We both know someone is not going to give them 600M tho,they will rack up a collosal debt and carry on as usual and nobody will give a flying fuck.
When FFP was introduced in 2009,it was set up with the intention of preventing clubs getting into the sort of debt that may threaten their existence, unfortunately it became a vehicle for preventing ambition instead.
If uefa had stuck to the original basis on which FFP was set up we would be having a entirely different discussion.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

We both know someone is not going to give them 600M tho,they will rack up a collosal debt and carry on as usual and nobody will give a flying fuck.
When FFP was introduced in 2009,it was set up with the intention of preventing clubs getting into the sort of debt that may threaten their existence, unfortunately it became a vehicle for preventing ambition instead.
If uefa had stuck to the original basis on which FFP was set up we would be having a entirely different discussion.

Unless an Emirate comes in, no, I agree, but infrastructure expenditure is exempt; I agree though that it seems unlikely that Barcelona will be restricted as Arsenal and Spurs appear to have been.
Yep, I agree it would be very different - not sure it would be easy to say what would be happening right now, but I'd expect Newcastle to have been sold, and at least one more Italian club in the mix, and significantly less bleating about City's "unlimited funds" (to quote the media lie).

 

[M18CTID]

transfer fee payments will be negotiated and contracted for, and are normally paid in installments, hence why Arsenal chose Pepe over Zaha. That's really been made out to be far more than it is, short term just means that's what they owe within the next year.

If they started to fail to meet those payment deadlines, then they'd have a problem.

Yep, and it would be a big problem because UEFA take a very dim view of clubs who fail to pay their bills to other clubs. It’s a part of the FFP regs that actually makes a lot of sense but many blues are unaware of it because present day City are never going to have a problem with meeting our obligations to other clubs. UEFA have banned clubs from European competition for that and even Barcelona would struggle to escape a ban if they were ever guilty of it.

 

[nmc]

We both know someone is not going to give them 600M tho,they will rack up a collosal debt and carry on as usual and nobody will give a flying fuck.
When FFP was introduced in 2009,it was set up with the intention of preventing clubs getting into the sort of debt that may threaten their existence, unfortunately it became a vehicle for preventing ambition instead.
If uefa had stuck to the original basis on which FFP was set up we would be having a entirely different discussion.

They’ll get a nice friendly good terms loan for the full £600m from the Catalan Govt !

 

[Tevez City]

I think UEFA are waiting City to reach the Final to suddenly punish them.

Thats what they do, whenever the club achieve anything they will disrupt the party.