Introducing The Citizens Trust - Manchester City Supporters' Union

Glad this is up and running and will happily join.

City Matters has for too long been the mouthpiece of bad news and puppets of the club hierarchy. Fan representation has to be independent of the club, not set up and facilitated by it.... so well done to all concerned.

Over to the club now, good times are over and time to take us seriously again.
 
Glad this is up and running and will happily join.

City Matters has for too long been the mouthpiece of bad news and puppets of the club hierarchy. Fan representation has to be independent of the club, not set up and facilitated by it.... so well done to all concerned.

Over to the club now, good times are over and time to take us seriously again.
If the club are not bought into it how will anything change? The club and supporters need to be aligned.
 
They are a major city fan group and will probably have to work with the trust. I just thought it would be interesting to see what they think, if that’s alright?

Other groups have shared there thoughts as well. I didn’t say set up a trust either - just be more active in some of the things that groups like the 1894 do and hopefully this trust. I don’t want to de rail the thread. So I’ll leave it.
Don’t leave the thread mate, my point was why does anyone need to wonder what the Osc think. There’s room for all without anyone treading on anyone’s toes. The only people who fear sharing power would be those used to hoarding power
 
I have signed up and donated but still don't understand why our supporters voices on City Matters, Supporters Clubs and 1894 have not been heard enough by our chairman and Execs regarding the issues listed by Henry Winter on X and why another group will make any difference. We need a heavy hitter who has the ear of the chairman to change anything.
It’s all a bit The Popular Front of Judea isn’t it!
Will sign up in the morning
 
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It’s all a bit The Popular Front of Judea isn’t it!
Will sign up in the morning
I was thinking more the Church of Scotland. They have the main Church and then the Wee Frees and the Wee Wee Frees. Now City have this breakaway group.

The nickname is often used more broadly in Scottish culture to describe any small, strict group that refuses to compromise with a larger body.

I think the Wee Free works.
 
I was thinking more the Church of Scotland. They have the main Church and then the Wee Frees and the Wee Wee Frees. Now City have this breakaway group.

The nickname is often used more broadly in Scottish culture to describe any small, strict group that refuses to compromise with a larger body.

I think the Wee Free works.

We look forward to sharing more information soon and getting members involved.

In the meantime...while we maybe be wee (for now) its not free Im afraid. But it is just a fiver for a year for the next two weeks!
 
The key for me is to get the Chairman onboard and involved. We won't achieve anything without his commitment.

I think part of the point of things like this is that the Chairman WON'T be onboard with a lot of what the historic fanbase wants. The position of fans and the position of the owners are usually at odds in the modern game.

There are already club endorsed initiatives for liasing with fans. A well organised, external trust which doesn't have any potential conflict of interest with regards to its relationship/access to the club hierarchy is exactly what's needed here.

The clout in something like this doesnt come from the getting the chairman's endorsement in exchange for a few crumbs. The clout in something like this is gaining a critical mass and unified voice on behalf of the fans that will hold the ownership's feet to the fire and call them out publicly without fear of rocking the boat.
 
I think part of the point of things like this is that the Chairman WON'T be onboard with a lot of what the historic fanbase wants. The position of fans and the position of the owners are usually at odds in the modern game.

There are already club endorsed initiatives for liasing with fans. A well organised, external trust which doesn't have any potential conflict of interest with regards to its relationship/access to the club hierarchy is exactly what's needed here.

The clout in something like this doesnt come from the getting the chairman's endorsement in exchange for a few crumbs. The clout in something like this is gaining a critical mass and unified voice on behalf of the fans that will hold the ownership's feet to the fire and call them out publicly without fear of rocking the boat.
Absolutely spot on, this is exactly what it's about.

It's not about muscling in on turf, tanks on the lawn, or stepping on any other groups shoes at all. The Trust looks to occupy a space that has never existed at City before, which is quite mad really when you think about it.

And you're right in that the clout comes from gaining as many fans in as members as possible, gives yet further weight to every argument fans have had while shouting on here or social media over recent years.

It's overwhelmingly positive and it's brilliant to see so many joining as members from Bluemoon
 
Absolutely spot on, this is exactly what it's about.

It's not about muscling in on turf, tanks on the lawn, or stepping on any other groups shoes at all. The Trust looks to occupy a space that has never existed at City before, which is quite mad really when you think about it.

And you're right in that the clout comes from gaining as many fans in as members as possible, gives yet further weight to every argument fans have had while shouting on here or social media over recent years.

It's overwhelmingly positive and it's brilliant to see so many joining as members from Bluemoon
I don't think anyone at the club would be bothered about numbers joining the trust. I do think the senior executives of the club needs to appreciate the level of unrest across the supporter base and why
None of it is hard to resolve if they understood it and could easily put place changes. I am just not convinced the senior execs understand the problems.
 
Absolutely spot on, this is exactly what it's about.

It's not about muscling in on turf, tanks on the lawn, or stepping on any other groups shoes at all. The Trust looks to occupy a space that has never existed at City before, which is quite mad really when you think about it.

And you're right in that the clout comes from gaining as many fans in as members as possible, gives yet further weight to every argument fans have had while shouting on here or social media over recent years.

It's overwhelmingly positive and it's brilliant to see so many joining as members from Bluemoon
Be interesting to see how many have registered so far?
 
Glad Alex is involved. Shame we didn’t have this set up a few years ago, we may have had some response from the club regarding the disgrace that was Istanbul…. Not the result of course
 
@Alex - The Citizens Trust

So what is going to be the difference between City Matters and the Citizens' Trust? Are you going to meet board members and help sort out all the issues with the club?

At the moment, if you email the club, you get nothing back.

There are loads of people out there with good ideas on how to improve things, but they feel let down by the club
 
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@Alex - The Citizens Trust, apart from you and Mark how many others on the interim board had a stint on City Matters?

Presumably you will start to liaise with other trusts and see how they go about things especially when it comes to dialogue with the club.

As much as I loath them, the likes of The Spirit Of Shankly appear to represent the fans well and I know they have had joint protests with us, Neverton and the rags over ticket price increases etc. A 5% ticket increase on a SC means a lot to each individual supporter but in the grand scale of things very little to the club, they can get that back very easily through increased sponsorship, paying agents and players slightly less (I think we shelled out £40m in the last 12 months) etc. The club also has the current disconnect with the fans and I hope that is an issue you will bring to the table. So many blues who are local to the area as well as those further afield have been mightily pissed off these past few years and have turned their backs on the club, it's a huge issue moving forward to try and win those fans back. Good luck to everyone involved.
 
Be interesting to see how many have registered so far?
As of last night, we had over 300 members. We'll be sharing another update later today, which I will share on this thread.
@Alex - The Citizens Trust

So what is going to be the difference between City Matters and the Citizens' Trust? Are you going to meet board members and help sort out all the issues with the club?

At the moment, if you email the club, you get nothing back.

There are loads of people out there with good ideas on how to improve things, but they feel let down by the club
Good question. @Mon Autre did a good job earlier on this thread, and I know that @Prestwich_Blue is really articulate in setting out the differences between a supporters' trust and other groups. The Citizens Trust isn't designed to replace other supporter groups, and we recognise the wealth of experience out there and the valuable role that they play. With that said, we think that there is a gap to establish an independent, member-led, democratic body that solely exists to represent the views of supporters. As @BertM19 suggested, I am not sure that has ever existed for City fans before.

We absolutely appreciate the role of City Matters as the Club's designated Fan Advisory Board. This is something that the Club have to maintain under the Premier League Fan Engagement Standard, and representatives can do a lot of good in their roles. For instance, @CityMatters-LeeB is doing a really good job as the current chair.
@Alex - The Citizens Trust, apart from you and Mark how many others on the interim board had a stint on City Matters?

Presumably you will start to liaise with other trusts and see how they go about things especially when it comes to dialogue with the club.

As much as I loath them, the likes of The Spirit Of Shankly appear to represent the fans well and I know they have had joint protests with us, Neverton and the rags over ticket price increases etc. A 5% ticket increase on a SC means a lot to each individual supporter but in the grand scale of things very little to the club, they can get that back very easily through increased sponsorship, paying agents and players slightly less (I think we shelled out £40m in the last 12 months) etc. The club also has the current disconnect with the fans and I hope that is an issue you will bring to the table. So many blues who are local to the area as well as those further afield have been mightily pissed off these past few years and have turned their backs on the club, it's a huge issue moving forward to try and win those fans back. Good luck to everyone involved.
Alongside Mark and I, Dan Bowdler and Simon Walker both have experience from City Matters. In addition, we also have those with experience from the 1894 Group, and MCFC Fans Foodbank Support on the Interim Board.

We couldn't have got to this stage without the support of the Football Supporters' Association, and a range of existing supporters' trusts and other groups. The past few seasons have demonstrated a growing amount of solidarity across Premier League clubs (and beyond), as demonstrated by the letter produced by a number of West Ham groups earlier today in relation to Liverpool's latest issues with pricing. As we have set out in our mission statement, we are really keen to work with other groups across the football family - particularly where they have best practice and learning to share.

Thanks for your support, too. As a member-led organisation, we are only as strong as those who join-up and take part in the Trust. We are really grateful for the level of support in the first day or so, but I think that speaks to the appetite amongst City fans for something like this.
 

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