Gabriel headbutt on Haaland

For the video assistant referee (VAR), what the refereeing team say they saw is crucial.

On Sunday, it was the assistant referee who said the incident was "not excessively aggressive or violent".

Referee Taylor took this advice on board and chose to book both players for their aggressive attitudes.

VAR John Brooks first has to consider that the incident has clearly been seen by the assistant.

Could Brooks really say Gabriel's actions definitely were excessively aggressive or violent? That would be required for a VAR red card.

Even if the VAR thinks a red card is the better decision, it is difficult to get involved if an official has had a decent view and provided a supportable explanation.

So what came into that judgement?

It was felt that because Gabriel pushed with his head rather than struck - he did not pull his head back first and create space before driving it forward - a yellow card was supportable.

But many were likely expecting a VAR review for a red card.

When has that ever been applied before?
 
Cobwebcat said:
For the video assistant referee (VAR), what the refereeing team say they saw is crucial.

On Sunday, it was the assistant referee who said the incident was "not excessively aggressive or violent".

Referee Taylor took this advice on board and chose to book both players for their aggressive attitudes.

VAR John Brooks first has to consider that the incident has clearly been seen by the assistant.

Could Brooks really say Gabriel's actions definitely were excessively aggressive or violent? That would be required for a VAR red card.

Even if the VAR thinks a red card is the better decision, it is difficult to get involved if an official has had a decent view and provided a supportable explanation.

So what came into that judgement?

It was felt that because Gabriel pushed with his head rather than struck - he did not pull his head back first and create space before driving it forward - a yellow card was supportable.

But many were likely expecting a VAR review for a red card.

When has that ever been applied before?
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What utter nonsense that is!
 
Cobwebcat said:
For the video assistant referee (VAR), what the refereeing team say they saw is crucial.

On Sunday, it was the assistant referee who said the incident was "not excessively aggressive or violent".

Referee Taylor took this advice on board and chose to book both players for their aggressive attitudes.

VAR John Brooks first has to consider that the incident has clearly been seen by the assistant.

Could Brooks really say Gabriel's actions definitely were excessively aggressive or violent? That would be required for a VAR red card.

Even if the VAR thinks a red card is the better decision, it is difficult to get involved if an official has had a decent view and provided a supportable explanation.

So what came into that judgement?

It was felt that because Gabriel pushed with his head rather than struck - he did not pull his head back first and create space before driving it forward - a yellow card was supportable.

But many were likely expecting a VAR review for a red card.

When has that ever been applied before?
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Like I've said many times before, when you leave the severity of a challenge open to interpretation you open up the possiblity of bias (unconcious or not) in the decision making process. You also leave the door open for factors extranious to the incident, such as 'if he gets a red card, he'll miss the next three games, so we'll apply leninecy this time', and also corruption, such as Scudamore's 'strategic plan', which we all saw in realtime yesterday.
 
Bigga said:
Interesting.

I have a slightly different take as I'm focusing on the match itself, not the following possibilities.

In retrospect, I'm GLAD Gabriel stayed on, cos there would have been less likely a chance we'd have beaten 10 men bedding in to save a point. There'd have been no spaces as the Arse wouldn't ventured out, so much. Taylor, inadvertently, helped us on the pitch as a result.

Yes, Gabriel may play the next matches but, as has been said, there may yet be a panel review of the incident, so who knows?
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You’ve had a mare here, with a complete nonsensical post!
The incident happened in the 83rd minute with the score already at 2-1
Moreover, Gabriel would rightly now facing a 3 match ban!
Taylor and VAR helped Arsenal only with a very bizarre decision not to send the ref to the monitor.
 
jprkas said:
Way he (Gabriel) performed yesterday, poor for both goals, I'd rather he was available than suspended. He was their worst defender. Some refs are not going to give red cards in the big matches if they can help it, like 'Henderson' in the cup final.
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Spot on.
Gabriel looked pisspoor when Cherki was dancing through the red defence for the 1st,

and Erling beat Gabriel for the 2nd with his own medicine - fantastic!

Gabriel was the main loser for Arsenal yesterday. We shut him down in our box as well. Not good enough. And lucky not to walk...

But let me add, Taylor is a very good ref in FIFA/UEFA matches, as he follows their strict lines. I'm quite sure he'd given a straight red in such a match.

Blatant difference is his reffing in domestic PGMOL matches. He's a completely different ref and even looks biased and corrupt.

That fundamental issue has to be addressed at some point not too far in the future I hope.
 
The PL and FA together with PGMOL demonstrate every week, that similar offences are being treated completely differently, with their decisions given being truly diverse, inconsistent and possibly made displaying a clear and obvious bias.

Therefore because of the above outcomes and decisions, the rules are clearly being manipulated and mask the failings, inadequencies or blatant corruption in the way that officials, ie referees and VAR operatives choose to interpret their decisions.

How anybody can ever have any confidence in their
honesty, integrity and management of games is clearly exposed as being seriously flawed and open to challenge on the veracity of their actions.

For too long this situation has been evident, and yet Howard Webb, Richards Masters and whoever is chair of the FA are complicit in destroying the credibility of all three organisations, and football clubs and supporters are being prejudiced by their actions.
 
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east2 said:
You’ve had a mare here, with a complete nonsensical post!
The incident happened in the 83rd minute with the score already at 2-1
Moreover, Gabriel would rightly now facing a 3 match ban!
Taylor and VAR helped Arsenal only with a very bizarre decision not to send the ref to the monitor.
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Not withstanding Gabrielle was still on the pitch and could have equalised in those last few minutes, but for some tremendous defensive work.
 
We all know that if the ref had sent gabriel off then var would have upheld the decision.

So they would have agreed rightly it is violent conduct, so why the fck didnt they intervene.

This siding with the refs onfield decision all the time is just cheating because it allows for selective intervention to suit their preferred outcome if they decide to go against the ref.

The ref makes a bent call knowing that var wont change it, var side with bent ref and say its not a clear error, the ref says var would change it if its wrong so he was right, how thick do they think we are.

Do I remember Nolito doing exactly the same for us and getting sent off.

I cant help but think that they are striving to keep the tv companies happy by keeping the game alive so no one switches off, when you think how much money sky etc pay it would not be surprising if they had some input behind the scenes.

They have systematically installed a process of game management involving selective reviewing of onfield decisions when "necessary", offside calls that can be manipulated, and a time added on situation that allows them to add whatever they want. All wrapped up in a grey area nightmare devoid of any clarity, oh, and all with no available data of in game converstion between officials keeping everything behind a veil of secrecy.

It could easily be so much better, but they just dont want to relinquish control and replace it with fairness.
 
Perfect example of a ref refereeing the occasion & not the game, but also on that, another ref may have pulled up the shirt tugging on Haaland’s goal
 
Few timely letters to FA asking if it’s ok for the under 12s to behave this way. They are after all the custodians of our great game, which has many more grass roots players under its oversight.
 
In real time I thought straight red. On replay it's a subjective decision, some refs would give it some wouldn't. Fair play to Erl for not feigning injury
 
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