All things Jack Grealish

[hilts]

I dont really see the point now. He can only play on the left which is now the position Doku has made his own. He can't play on the right and lacks the intelligence to play centrally.

Its best for all that he goes this summer.

Thank god Doku can play every minute of every game without injury or loss of form. Him being the only athlete ever to be able to do this isn't given enough praise :-)

 

[hilts]

Never had a single person at the Club ever tell me he has been fined for a drink problem or they have sought him help for being a functioning alcoholic, which they would be incumbent upon them under duty of care.

Not one injunction request to stop such a story.

Not one person, team-mate or employee telling me that Grealish is anything more than a lad who loves a pint when he is allowed to.

Football is a very small place and no club would take a chance or commit to a £40m option and pay £200k a week towards his wages as Everton have done.

No Club would trust City again in the marketplace to withhold such information on faulty goods.

We heard all this shit at Villa too after The Sun published pics of him as a kid passing out on the piss.

All I will say is that Pep fined Kalvin Phillips two weeks wages for being 4lbs overweight, so having a functioning alcoholic as part of the the squad doesn't fly for me.

But everyone on the planet knows, plus that picture of him asleep, don't be wandering in here ruining posters witch hunts :-)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

thank you for this

No worries Jack ;)

 

[The blue phantom]

Glad all the bullshit about him has been put to bed.

 

[Gabriel]

Don't see the problem getting him back on the training ground and see how things are at the start of the season. Even if we wanted to move him on, we could still use him for the first few games while others recover from the World Cup. Alternatively, if he wishes to move permanently and someone meets the valuation, good luck to him.

 

[blue cigar]

But everyone on the planet knows, plus that picture of him asleep, don't be wandering in here ruining posters witch hunts :-)

Witch hunt is correct, rumours and gossip from people who should know better but don't.

 

[bhayes]

Dick

Look at the numbers that Grealish produced in his City career: 157 appearances, 17 goals and 21 assists.

Look at Semenyo's numbers this season:
37 appearances, 17 goals (11 for city), 4 assists, and won us the FA cup and pretty much kept us in the title race until the very end.

Semeneyo scored nearly the same amount of goals in half a season without a proper pre-season in a new squad than Jack Grealish did in his ENTIRE city career.

Jack Grealish never scored more than 7 goals or had more than 7 assists in a single City season; as a winger that is HORRENDOUS. He could barely beat his man he would hug the touchline than draw the foul or pass it back.

Not to mention his off field antics which are well documented.

The funny thing is Semeneyo has gotten more stick on here than grealish it is absolutely laughable. Similarly Sterlings stats are far superior to grealish's but he gets more stick than grealish.

Grealish was bang average and the stats prove it.

 

[youngbob]

Look at Semenyo's numbers:
37 appearances, 17 goals, 4 assists

Semenyo has scored 11 goals for City.

 

[bhayes]

Semenyo has scored 11 goals for City.

Gotcha, I was including the goals he scored for bournemouth as well. The point still stands. 11 goals for city is over half the amount Grealish has scored in his entire city career.

 

[youngbob]

Gotcha, the point still stands

They have different roles in the team though don't they.

Grealish's job was stay outside the box and make space for others. Semenyo's is to get up alongside Haaland.

That's not to say Grealish couldn't have done more but he was a big part of an excellent side - something Semenyo is yet to be.

 

[bhayes]

They have different roles in the team though don't they.

Grealish's job was stay outside the box and make space for others. Semenyo's is to get up alongside Haaland.

That's not to say Grealish couldn't have done more but he was a big part of an excellent side - something Semenyo is yet to be.

No I don't think so, Pep wants his wingers to play pretty much the same way, he wants width, he wants them to take on their man in 1v1 situations, etc. Grealish was just not a goal scorer, he rarely would get into the box, he would attempt shots but often they were blocked, he didn't have pace to beat his man so he would keep it and draw fouls or circulate possession.

They don't have different roles just different skills and characteristics which leads to different play styles but roles for wingers are pretty much the same, grealish was never that typical pep winger though because he didn't have the attributes of a typical pep winger.

 

[bennyboy]

Look at the numbers that Grealish produced in his City career: 157 appearances, 17 goals and 21 assists.

Look at Semenyo's numbers:
37 appearances, 17 goals, 4 assists, and won us the FA cup and pretty much kept us in the title race until the very end.

Semeneyo scored the same amount of goals in half a season without a proper pre-season in a new squad than Jack Grealish did in his ENTIRE city career.

Jack Grealish never scored more than 7 goals or had more than 7 assists in a single City season; as a winger that is HORRENDOUS. He could barely beat his man he would hug the touchline than draw the foul or pass it back.

Not to mention his off field antics which are well documented.

The funny thing is Semeneyo has gotten more stick on here than grealish it is absolutely laughable. Similarly Sterlings stats are far superior to grealish's but he gets more stick than grealish.

Grealish was bang average and the stats prove it.

I find the stick that Semeneyo gets from some on here laughable.

 

[DMA's]

I find the stick that Semeneyo gets from some on here laughable.

Same with mahrez, sterling. They all produced way more than grealish and represented the club in a very professional manner.

Grealish has had half the success on the pitch and has been a mess off it numerous times. Even being left out of a squad due to his drinking during a title run in.

Grealish benefits massively from being deemed likeable. Personally don’t think there is something that likeable about a bloke who routinely cheats on his long term partner and the mother of his child. But there we are.

People can put theirs hands in the ears and pretend grealish is this perfect saint who has been tainted by the press when in actual fact he has been protected on numerous occasions.

It will all come out one day but what the club and pep did for grealish was more than any other player. He has had so many chances There was a reason Southgate dropped him from his England squads: there was a reason Everton where the only ticket in town and that was only via a loan with a buy option. He is tainted goods.

 

[Platt Lane 59]

The sooner Maresca takes over the better. It will give him time to make decisions on the future of players like Lewis, Savinho, Grealish, Nico G etc. who are not going to the World Cup.

It's going to be difficult for Maresca, as well as other new managers e.g. Xavi Alonso, in that a large number of their first team squad will be at the World Cup.
Unfortunately, think it will be difficult to assess Jack (or Lewis, Nico G and other "squad" players), as 19 of the first team squad will be absent.
I'd imagine the 3 mentioned above, will be a level above the EDS or younger players, so it will be difficult to see how highly rated they will be.
I hope Phil becomes a cornerstone of this depleted squad and helps the younger and less experienced players...

 

[Metal Biker]

Look at the numbers that Grealish produced in his City career: 157 appearances, 17 goals and 21 assists.

Look at Semenyo's numbers this season:
37 appearances, 17 goals (11 for city), 4 assists, and won us the FA cup and pretty much kept us in the title race until the very end.

Semeneyo scored nearly the same amount of goals in half a season without a proper pre-season in a new squad than Jack Grealish did in his ENTIRE city career.

Jack Grealish never scored more than 7 goals or had more than 7 assists in a single City season; as a winger that is HORRENDOUS. He could barely beat his man he would hug the touchline than draw the foul or pass it back.

Not to mention his off field antics which are well documented.

The funny thing is Semeneyo has gotten more stick on here than grealish it is absolutely laughable. Similarly Sterlings stats are far superior to grealish's but he gets more stick than grealish.

Grealish was bang average and the stats prove it.

Jack Grealish also scored 15 goals and 17 assists in 96 PL appearances for Aston Villa, and was being regarded as a real prospect in the English national side with fans regularly clamouring for him to make appearances.

His record mirrors his one at Villa, so what were you expecting different from him? Or are you another one of those "£100m!" wankers who placed lofty expectations based on his price tag, thinking he should score 50 goals a season 'at that price we paid for him'?

He's struggled with hamstring and groin injuries and let me tell you, you don't just waltz back into the side having recovered from one of those. He admits his first season wasn't the best and vowed to do better the next season. (He helped us win the Treble, so i'd say he earned his place. Deny it all you want, he was essential for City from December through to February, he WAS a factor and we simply would not have won it without him.)

He loves City, loves the club, the fans, he gets us, but for some reason, all you want to do is shit on him and in an increasingly, baffling, aggressive manner. I really don't understand your level of vitriol aimed at him. You can say he's not been one of the greatest at City for sure, but you make it sound like he shagged your mum!

 

[bhayes]

Jack Grealish also scored 15 goals and 17 assists in 96 PL appearances for Aston Villa, and was being regarded as a real prospect in the English national side with fans regularly clamouring for him to make appearances.

His record mirrors his one at Villa, so what were you expecting different from him? Or are you another one of those "£100m!" wankers who placed lofty expectations based on his price tag, thinking he should score 50 goals a season 'at that price we paid for him'?

He's struggled with hamstring and groin injuries and let me tell you, you don't just waltz back into the side having recovered from one of those. He admits his first season wasn't the best and vowed to do better the next season. (He helped us win the Treble, so i'd say he earned his place. Deny it all you want, he was essential for City from December through to February, he WAS a factor and we simply would not have won it without him.)

He loves City, loves the club, the fans, he gets us, but for some reason, all you want to do is shit on him and in an increasingly, baffling, aggressive manner. I really don't understand your level of vitriol aimed at him. You can say he's not been one of the greatest at City for sure, but you make it sound like he shagged your mum!

I've just spoken the facts. You should hold him to the same standard as the other City wingers who have produced much more but don't get the same respect and have gotten more criticism from City fans than grealish who has done far less. The numbers don't lie.

 

[Metal Biker]

I've just spoken the facts. You should hold him to the same standard as the other City wingers who have produced much more but don't get the same respect and have gotten more criticism from City fans than grealish who has done far less. The numbers don't lie.

I don't use stats to determine how City players perform, or use that to judge their commitment. All stattos are dickheads who only see numbers, not effort. 'I should hold him to the same standard as...'? Why should I? Only sad acts do that. Or Rags. Sometimes a player can play a whole match, score no goals or assists yet still be a massive contribution to the team performance.

A lot of the time, that was Jack. He won more fouls for City that put us in advantageous positions in which we would go on and score from. Where are the stats on that? They don't keep them, do they. Do you doubt he loves this club? Do you doubt he wants to perform well for us and is low on confidence when he feels he hasn't? Do you doubt he wants to progress?

I don't think anybody on any Grealish thread has ever even said that he's one of our greatest or best players. You issue seems to be you hate how other players like Doku, Semenyo or Nunes gets lambasted on other threads yet Grealish rarely does. It's because he doesn't deserve to be, not for those reasons. If people want to criticise Semenyo's performances on Match Day threads, why does that need to also include a bashing of Jack? Doesn't make sense.

You've got it in for a player who's done nothing to you, hasn't had many exceptionally bad performances to warrant your suggestion "I never want to see him in a City shirt again". That's real hatred towards a guy who celebrated our clubs successes like any other Blue would. "He was bang average at best!" you say; Is that Alt-Nouri, Ake, Reijnders, Lewis, Dias or Akanji level of vitriol?

You don't rate him, you've made that clear, but don't be deluded into thinking that those on this thread praising him are saying he's better than Foden, Doku, Haaland or Cherki. We just see his effort, we see his devotion and we want to see him succeed. And speaking of Cherki; I love him, he's a character with tremendous skill, but even he's gone off the ball in recent games a bit, hasn't he. Doesn't mean i'd want him out of the club though, I want to see him back to his best.

Just like we want to with our Jack.

 

[marpleman]

Same with mahrez, sterling. They all produced way more than grealish and represented the club in a very professional manner.

Grealish has had half the success on the pitch and has been a mess off it numerous times. Even being left out of a squad due to his drinking during a title run in.

Grealish benefits massively from being deemed likeable. Personally don’t think there is something that likeable about a bloke who routinely cheats on his long term partner and the mother of his child. But there we are.

People can put theirs hands in the ears and pretend grealish is this perfect saint who has been tainted by the press when in actual fact he has been protected on numerous occasions.

It will all come out one day but what the club and pep did for grealish was more than any other player. He has had so many chances There was a reason Southgate dropped him from his England squads: there was a reason Everton where the only ticket in town and that was only via a loan with a buy option. He is tainted goods.

Wow!

Do you really believe what you come out with?

Why do you hate him so much?

 

[Ban-jani]

I've just spoken the facts. You should hold him to the same standard as the other City wingers who have produced much more but don't get the same respect and have gotten more criticism from City fans than grealish who has done far less. The numbers don't lie.

Numbers do quite often lie in football. David Silva’s output for us far outweighed his stats in terms of goals and assists, I witnessed him run our games for almost a decade, I don’t need figures to back that up. Grealish was, for probably 2 years, I’d argue half a season either side of the Treble and the Treble season itself, absolutely brilliant.

Nobody doubted him when we lifted the Champions League. That player was still there for Everton and is still there now. We’ve lost creativity and attacking talent, now is a great time for him to have another shot.

Nobody needs to slag other players off, I won’t slag off Semenyo’s output, he’s a different type of player to Grealish and seems to be all end product, whereas Grealish is all about ball retention and link up. Neither is the right way, both are useful options.

 

[BobKowalski]

I don’t see Grealish returning to City. His time here has passed and it isn’t coming back. City must have had good reasons as to why he saw less and less playing time and finally went on loan to Everton. Those reasons will not have disappeared irrespective of who is manager.