Henry Nowak murder

[i kne albert davy]

Does a rascist hate other rasces?

Doe's a what hate what ?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I mean…it seems pretty clear from the judges remarks the attack happened because Henry was filming him on his phone and asking “are you bad man”, and Digwa decided that was an affront to him and his religion, nothing to do with Nowak’s race.

I didn't say it was.

https://news.sky.com/story/vickrum-digwa-sentencing-live-killer-who-murdered-student-and-told-wicked-racism-lie-about-victim-faces-jail-13549752

Vickrum Digwa, 23, has been jailed for life for stabbing 18-year-old Henry Nowak to death in December. Digwa falsely told police that Nowak had racially abused him, prompting officers to handcuff the university student as he lay dying.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Bar the victim and his family, no one else has come out of this well. The murderer most of all, but his family seem to have conspired to pervert the course of justice.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the police don't appear to have handled this well initially. It sometimes does seem that police forces are more sensitive to accusations of racism than doing their job without fear or favour. But, on the other hand, there's seemingly evidence that police can be racist. It's about striking the right balance and i'm not sure our police forces are doing that properly currently. I'm sure the officers involved are wishing they'd done things differently.

Then there's the appalling people like Farage & Yaxley-Lennon who are determined to make political capital out of this. More police officers injured due to them trying to further their racist agenda. We saw similar with the airport assault case. Justice can be imperfect but it's a damn sight better than mob rule.

Just fucking let the appropriate authorities get on with it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Think this is a bit of a witch-hunt against these coppers. Think the coppers on the scene were marginally negligent, but no more. Certainly not reckless.

Coppers have to deal with he said/she said scenarios all the time. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong when making an ex tempore decision.

Doesn’t mean the choice they make is malicious or racist. Just a snapshot evaluation.

And haven’t we all faltered in that way from time to time?

 

[TinFoilHat]

Think this is a bit of a witch-hunt against these coppers. Think the coppers on the scene were marginally negligent, but no more. Certainly not reckless.

Coppers have to deal with he said/she said scenarios all the time. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong when making an ex tempore decision.

Doesn’t mean the choice they make is malicious or racist. Just a snapshot evaluation.

And haven’t we all faltered in that way from time to time?

The voice of reason on this thread.

Spot on.

 

[domalino]

Well that's just spiffing old chap.
I feel so much safer now with your font of knowledge.
Can i just ask, do you think this country as a problem with Knife crime?
I actually think it does and has had for a long time now, oh and that's all my own thought plan, not pushed by any narrative from the right or left.
My mate got stabbed to death and i can assure you that no narratives, agendas or propaganda masks the crime of someone stabbing another with a knife.
So you flaunt your stats all you want, my view is, this crime of carrying and using knives needs addressing properly/urgently 100%

Well we rank 132nd in the world for knife involved homicides.

So if you're asking if the UK has a problem compared to other countries, our neighbours, then no.

Obviously any knife crime is a travesty that we should try to get rid of, but it's always existed, it's always going to exist and we have reduced it massively, and you're not interested in that reality, instead pretending that it's worse than ever.

I would assume if you cared as much about the knife crime as you say, then you'd pay attention to the facts regularly, and be well aware and glad that it's dropped by 27% in this parliament, so to say "it needs addressing" is bizarre. It has been addressed and it will be continued getting addressed.

 

[i kne albert davy]

The one bright spark I read today was the Sikh gentleman shaking hands with several protesters in Southampton and speaking with them about his disgust that someone of his faith could murder a young lad in cold blood with not a hint of aggression from either side, maybe there's some hope for humanity yet.

 

[domalino]

The one bright spark I read today was the Sikh gentleman shaking hands with several protesters in Southampton and speaking with them about his disgust that someone of his faith could murder a young lad in cold blood with not a hint of aggression from either side, maybe there's some hope for humanity yet.

We have to remember that this is the norm, not the exception.

Farage, Robinson et al put out the rallying cry yesterday and 250-1000 people showed up to cause trouble in a country of 70,000,000 and a City with 1,500,000 in the metro area.

We cannot be tricked by the extensive media coverage into thinking this is anything other than a tiny, violent, far right fringe of mostly the same faces that turn up at every one of these events.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Think this is a bit of a witch-hunt against these coppers. Think the coppers on the scene were marginally negligent, but no more. Certainly not reckless.

Coppers have to deal with he said/she said scenarios all the time. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong when making an ex tempore decision.

Doesn’t mean the choice they make is malicious or racist. Just a snapshot evaluation.

And haven’t we all faltered in that way from time to time?

Sorry but if that was marginally negligent I wouldn’t want to see gross negligence.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Sorry but if that was marginally negligent I wouldn’t want to see gross negligence.

It was an error of judgement rather than negligence.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

It was an error of judgement rather than negligence.

Weren’t you in the wait for the enquiry camp last night? What changed?

The family are now known to be known to the police prior to this, in the context of weapon possession allegations. Neighbours are also said to have reported an attack to them at the same time the brother phoned things in. Were the officers told this?

The handcuffing, probably as heinous as the “I don’t think you have” comment also doesn’t appear to be compliant with relevant policy.

Negligence on the part of the police definitely cannot be ruled out.

 

[Palerider]

I think there is a link to the Hillsborough disaster with this. Hillsborough happened because the police were conditioned to believe that all football fans were hooligans. Everyone. So the police failed to act quick enough because they were dealing with caged animals rather than people being crushed alive.

The police today are seemingly conditioned to avoid being called racist at all costs. The 'white privilege' maniacs have seemingly polluted common sense to the extent that it needs the death of an innocent young man to bring everyone back to their senses.

 

[pmoney]

We have to remember that this is the norm, not the exception.

Farage, Robinson et al put out the rallying cry yesterday and 250-1000 people showed up to cause trouble in a country of 70,000,000 and a City with 1,500,000 in the metro area.

We cannot be tricked by the extensive media coverage into thinking this is anything other than a tiny, violent, far right fringe of mostly the same faces that turn up at every one of these events.

You say a right-wing fringe of about 250–1,000 people turned up as if it were something inconsequential, Yet in a country of 70 million its highly likely that Farage will be voted in at the next election.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think there is a link to the Hillsborough disaster with this. Hillsborough happened because the police were conditioned to believe that all football fans were hooligans. Everyone. So the police failed to act quick enough because they were dealing with caged animals rather than people being crushed alive.

The police today are seemingly conditioned to avoid being called racist at all costs. The 'white privilege' maniacs have seemingly polluted common sense to the extent that it needs the death of an innocent young man to bring everyone back to their senses.

The way the victims of the grooming gang scandal were treated is a far more accurate example of such policing.

Disbelieved, ignored, mocked, even served up to their abusers in certain extreme examples, because of that very mindset.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I think there is a link to the Hillsborough disaster with this. Hillsborough happened because the police were conditioned to believe that all football fans were hooligans. Everyone. So the police failed to act quick enough because they were dealing with caged animals rather than people being crushed alive.

The police today are seemingly conditioned to avoid being called racist at all costs. The 'white privilege' maniacs have seemingly polluted common sense to the extent that it needs the death of an innocent young man to bring everyone back to their senses.

To be fair to the police (and now I know a few more facts about this than when I last posted) there was no racial element to the attack, but one was introduced by the perpetrator as an attempt at mitigation. This rather than any sort of two tier policing or rampant wokeism is what caused them to respond inappropriately re the victim. It also created a bandwagon for farage/yaxley Lennon to jump on.

 

[hilts]

Ah the pure cold rage of a victim complex

I don’t think your rascist but your more a fool than you first appeared and easily led

I’ll be charitable and call you naive

Ahh the guy who can't spell racist because he says fascist a lot, student uni nights must fly by.

 

[hilts]

Bar the victim and his family, no one else has come out of this well. The murderer most of all, but his family seem to have conspired to pervert the course of justice.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the police don't appear to have handled this well initially. It sometimes does seem that police forces are more sensitive to accusations of racism than doing their job without fear or favour. But, on the other hand, there's seemingly evidence that police can be racist. It's about striking the right balance and i'm not sure our police forces are doing that properly currently. I'm sure the officers involved are wishing they'd done things differently.

Then there's the appalling people like Farage & Yaxley-Lennon who are determined to make political capital out of this. More police officers injured due to them trying to further their racist agenda. We saw similar with the airport assault case. Justice can be imperfect but it's a damn sight better than mob rule.

Just fucking let the appropriate authorities get on with it.

Posters spend so much time defending a side that it never registers that sometimes both sides are wrong.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Ahh the guy who can't spell racist because he says fascist a lot, student uni nights must fly by.

I think you should show a bit more empathy and frankly gratitude. This poster is trying to gently educate you and show you the error of your ways. They can't help being right about everything all the time - they are just more clever and better informed than you. Accept their thoughts as intellectual gifts.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Posters spend so much time defending a side that it never registers that sometimes both sides are wrong.

Very true and it's a point I've made before. There's so much confirmation bias in here and on wider social media.

 

[hilts]

I think you should show a bit more empathy and frankly gratitude. This poster is trying to gently educate you and show you the error of your ways. They can't help being right about everything all the time - they are just more clever and better informed than you. Accept their thoughts as intellectual gifts.

Everweeday is a skool day for rascists and facists. The pigs are both of those until a lad gets killed then its just the stress of turning up in the dark. Surely daytime hours just fucking off are the culprit.