Henry Nowak murder

[domalino]

The one bright spark I read today was the Sikh gentleman shaking hands with several protesters in Southampton and speaking with them about his disgust that someone of his faith could murder a young lad in cold blood with not a hint of aggression from either side, maybe there's some hope for humanity yet.

We have to remember that this is the norm, not the exception.

Farage, Robinson et al put out the rallying cry yesterday and 250-1000 people showed up to cause trouble in a country of 70,000,000 and a City with 1,500,000 in the metro area.

We cannot be tricked by the extensive media coverage into thinking this is anything other than a tiny, violent, far right fringe of mostly the same faces that turn up at every one of these events.

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Think this is a bit of a witch-hunt against these coppers. Think the coppers on the scene were marginally negligent, but no more. Certainly not reckless.

Coppers have to deal with he said/she said scenarios all the time. Sometimes they are going to get it wrong when making an ex tempore decision.

Doesn’t mean the choice they make is malicious or racist. Just a snapshot evaluation.

And haven’t we all faltered in that way from time to time?

Sorry but if that was marginally negligent I wouldn’t want to see gross negligence.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Sorry but if that was marginally negligent I wouldn’t want to see gross negligence.

It was an error of judgement rather than negligence.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

It was an error of judgement rather than negligence.

Weren’t you in the wait for the enquiry camp last night? What changed?

The family are now known to be known to the police prior to this, in the context of weapon possession allegations. Neighbours are also said to have reported an attack to them at the same time the brother phoned things in. Were the officers told this?

The handcuffing, probably as heinous as the “I don’t think you have” comment also doesn’t appear to be compliant with relevant policy.

Negligence on the part of the police definitely cannot be ruled out.

 

[Palerider]

I think there is a link to the Hillsborough disaster with this. Hillsborough happened because the police were conditioned to believe that all football fans were hooligans. Everyone. So the police failed to act quick enough because they were dealing with caged animals rather than people being crushed alive.

The police today are seemingly conditioned to avoid being called racist at all costs. The 'white privilege' maniacs have seemingly polluted common sense to the extent that it needs the death of an innocent young man to bring everyone back to their senses.

 

[pmoney]

We have to remember that this is the norm, not the exception.

Farage, Robinson et al put out the rallying cry yesterday and 250-1000 people showed up to cause trouble in a country of 70,000,000 and a City with 1,500,000 in the metro area.

We cannot be tricked by the extensive media coverage into thinking this is anything other than a tiny, violent, far right fringe of mostly the same faces that turn up at every one of these events.

You say a right-wing fringe of about 250–1,000 people turned up as if it were something inconsequential, Yet in a country of 70 million its highly likely that Farage will be voted in at the next election.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think there is a link to the Hillsborough disaster with this. Hillsborough happened because the police were conditioned to believe that all football fans were hooligans. Everyone. So the police failed to act quick enough because they were dealing with caged animals rather than people being crushed alive.

The police today are seemingly conditioned to avoid being called racist at all costs. The 'white privilege' maniacs have seemingly polluted common sense to the extent that it needs the death of an innocent young man to bring everyone back to their senses.

The way the victims of the grooming gang scandal were treated is a far more accurate example of such policing.

Disbelieved, ignored, mocked, even served up to their abusers in certain extreme examples, because of that very mindset.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I think there is a link to the Hillsborough disaster with this. Hillsborough happened because the police were conditioned to believe that all football fans were hooligans. Everyone. So the police failed to act quick enough because they were dealing with caged animals rather than people being crushed alive.

The police today are seemingly conditioned to avoid being called racist at all costs. The 'white privilege' maniacs have seemingly polluted common sense to the extent that it needs the death of an innocent young man to bring everyone back to their senses.

To be fair to the police (and now I know a few more facts about this than when I last posted) there was no racial element to the attack, but one was introduced by the perpetrator as an attempt at mitigation. This rather than any sort of two tier policing or rampant wokeism is what caused them to respond inappropriately re the victim. It also created a bandwagon for farage/yaxley Lennon to jump on.

 

[hilts]

Bar the victim and his family, no one else has come out of this well. The murderer most of all, but his family seem to have conspired to pervert the course of justice.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the police don't appear to have handled this well initially. It sometimes does seem that police forces are more sensitive to accusations of racism than doing their job without fear or favour. But, on the other hand, there's seemingly evidence that police can be racist. It's about striking the right balance and i'm not sure our police forces are doing that properly currently. I'm sure the officers involved are wishing they'd done things differently.

Then there's the appalling people like Farage & Yaxley-Lennon who are determined to make political capital out of this. More police officers injured due to them trying to further their racist agenda. We saw similar with the airport assault case. Justice can be imperfect but it's a damn sight better than mob rule.

Just fucking let the appropriate authorities get on with it.

Posters spend so much time defending a side that it never registers that sometimes both sides are wrong.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Posters spend so much time defending a side that it never registers that sometimes both sides are wrong.

Very true and it's a point I've made before. There's so much confirmation bias in here and on wider social media.

 

[hilts]

Very true and it's a point I've made before. There's so much confirmation bias in here and on wider social media.

It's a battle no one will ever win but they will fight until their last breath takes them.

 

[mr t]

Nobody will bring Henry back but allowing anyone to carry a knife for any reason at all should be banned and should be a criminal offence.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Weren’t you in the wait for the enquiry camp last night? What changed?

The family are now known to be known to the police prior to this, in the context of weapon possession allegations. Neighbours are also said to have reported an attack to them at the same time the brother phoned things in. Were the officers told this?

The handcuffing, probably as heinous as the “I don’t think you have” comment also doesn’t appear to be compliant with relevant policy.

Negligence on the part of the police definitely cannot be ruled out.

I based that on what the judge said in his summing up - https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

From Paragraph 27:

"Another consequence of those lies is that the attending police officers honestly believed that there were reasonable grounds for suspecting Henry had committed an offence and arrested him with the consequence he was handcuffed for about a minute before his condition further deteriorated and the arresting officer began CPR. The police were given a convincing but wholly false narrative of the incident. It was dark and Henry was wearing a dark top. The entry damage caused by the knife through it, would not have been obvious. Whilst there was visible blood on Henry, it would not have clearly been seen coming from that wound and the clearly visible facial wound was not lifethreatening. Henry was complaining that he had been stabbed and was struggling to breathe but that would not have necessarily told the officers how serious the situation had become".

The officer in question wasn't on trial. An enquiry is definitely required to establish what lead the officer to make the decisions he made, and whether any amount of training or procedural guidelines would have made a difference in how the situation was handled.

 

[WT86]

I'm no doctor but "stabbed and struggling to breathe" seems pretty serious.

 

[bert38]

I think there is a link to the Hillsborough disaster with this. Hillsborough happened because the police were conditioned to believe that all football fans were hooligans. Everyone. So the police failed to act quick enough because they were dealing with caged animals rather than people being crushed alive.

The police today are seemingly conditioned to avoid being called racist at all costs. The 'white privilege' maniacs have seemingly polluted common sense to the extent that it needs the death of an innocent young man to bring everyone back to their senses.

There is absolutely no way that police have been trained to ignore a white boy saying he’s been stabbed for fear of being called a racist.

It’s much more likely he just assumed he was in drink and talking nonsense-the available evidence suggests a mindset that was falsely established.

In fact any inquiry is likely to focus on the completely wrong area of training-it should examine how officers are taught to critically analyse information rather than whether they’ve been infected by some woke virus or whatever it is they are trying to say.

The ability to think for yourself is one of the most important skills of a police officer particularly in stressful situations with lots of competing voices-it was something I was very aware of. Maybe that skill has been watered down over the years alongside the use of discretion. And as I’ve said several times we are often expecting kids in their early 20s to make those decisions-which is frankly ludicrous when one thinks about it. Most of those politicians being openly critical are in their 50s/60s and wouldn’t have known their arse from their elbow at 25.

My prediction is that the officer making the arrest will (wrongly) lose his job. He’s made a mistake based on a false narrative which has meant he has misinterpreted the victim’s pleas. Was the dreadful and sadly inevitable conclusion of that error the fault of the officer-no.

And I also think the IOPC will recommend a review of police training-but to simply assert that all prior diversity training should be thrown in the bin would be a ridiculous decision and neither will it happen.

 

[bert38]

You say a right-wing fringe of about 250–1,000 people turned up as if it were something inconsequential, Yet in a country of 70 million its highly likely that Farage will be voted in at the next election.

Old bigots who piss and moan about everything don’t tend to go to riots, so you’ve def got a point. Farage knows his rhetoric appeals to these people and that’s why he’s happy to sink to such depths.

 

[bert38]

I'm no doctor but "stabbed and struggling to breathe" seems pretty serious.

I know what you are saying but police aren't doctors either.

Do you know how many people in custody say they have 'chest pains?' And how many of them actually have chest pains? 1 in a 1000 probably.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Old bigots who piss and moan about everything don’t tend to go to riots, so you’ve def got a point. Farage knows his rhetoric appeals to these people and that’s why he’s happy to sink to such depths.

This made me smile, tell me, how old do you have to be to be a bigot? I'm asking for a friend like.

Oh, You refer to bigots as "these" people, can I remind you the definition of a bigot is....

"A person who is stubbornly devoted to their own opinions and strongly prejudiced against people who hold different beliefs, backgrounds, or identities."

I'm struggling to see the difference between your attitude to "these" people and the definition above.

Perhaps you/re in Polanski's camp and envision a Britain that excludes "these" people?

And while we're at it, as you've introduced "these" people to the thread, please enlighten us all, who are "these" people?

 

[bert38]

This made me smile, tell me, how old do you have to be to be a bigot? I'm asking for a friend like.

Oh, You refer to bigots as "these" people, can I remind you the definition of a bigot is....

"A person who is stubbornly devoted to their own opinions and strongly prejudiced against people who hold different beliefs, backgrounds, or identities."

I'm struggling to see the difference between your attitude to "these" people and the definition above.

Perhaps you/re in Polanski's camp and envision a Britain that excludes "these" people?

And while we're at it, as you've introduced "these" people to the thread, please enlighten us all, who are "these" people?

it was a tad tongue in cheek because as I approach 59 the lines definitely blur..and I'm definitely morphing slowly into Victor Meldrew.

Nonetheless old people vote-and that's what the right wing parties dance for-nostalgia slop.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

The one bright spark I read today was the Sikh gentleman shaking hands with several protesters in Southampton and speaking with them about his disgust that someone of his faith could murder a young lad in cold blood with not a hint of aggression from either side, maybe there's some hope for humanity yet.

I think this whole incident is awful and a policing failure which needs to be addressed - but there is one thing I remain utterly convinced of, which is that the Sikh community by-and-large is a massive net positive for this country despite being quite a small population. They are one of the most generous, charitable and tolerant groups out there and the amount of work they do voluntarily for wider British society should not be undermined by this event. Unless something drastic happens, I will always stick up for them on that front.

It is no surprise to me that for many of them, their first reaction is going to be one of dismay and horror and an attempt to try and correct the wrongs perpetrated by one of their number.