Mad Eyed Screamer
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“City Matters” fan committee
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The chant some fans always do at Boro away.What is WILTSYK?
Mad Eyed Screamer
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Which is?The chant some fans always do at Boro away.
Edit.... worked it out.... thought you meant a song Boro chanted....
halfcenturyup
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I went to one of these things back in the day, when GMP felt that tensions between City and United were in danger of boiling over. Can’t actually remember when it was, but think it may have been around the 2010/11 League Cup semi-finals. We’d had the Tevez billboard, Ferguson abusing Vicky Kloss in the tunnel etc and things were getting pretty heated between the clubs.
There were two of us from City (me and Alan Galley), and two United representatives who I can’t recall. Rather than having any meaningful discussion about how the clubs could tone things down, or how the police could manage things better, we were basically told what we couldn’t do, what GMP wouldn’t tolerate etc.
It was essentially a lecture, a box ticking exercise where they didn’t give a fuck what the fans actually thought. Sounds like this wasn’t entirely dissimilar.
Encouraged by the PL as well, I imagine. They should look in the mirror as well when something awful happens.
blueju
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They need them, just like the media needs them. It won’t change.Personally I am disgusted that the club has been part of this " initiative ".
The guilty party are LC, Klopp, the FSG and their feral supporters, who have all contrived to build up the animosity betwwen themselves and City.
In no way should we be approaching them to offer any kind of reconcilliation as they are solely responsible for the situation and the hostilities.
They are all guilty of behaving like utter cunts towards fans of other clubs, and the PL should be charging them with failing to control the disgraceful vermin who call themselves their supporters and cause so much trouble when visiting away venues.
The football authorites are a total disgrace in the way that this club is continuously allowed to behave in such a disgraceful manner without taking any action against them
blue b4 the moon
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The world due to the club doing fuck all about the madia hate campaign against us think we're a FFP cheating state run sportswashed dodgy as fuck oil club.The club needs to Fooking man up and quick about this shite from Liverpool ,We know what’s what , pep and the team know what’s what the club are too much prioritised into what the world thinks of them as a club. I say them and what about us ?
The fight goes on obviously.
Doing this sort of stuff with the dips is mind boggling, I would love us to have a plan with this part of it to 'out' them but we do seem to let dip FC do what the fuck they want time and time again & even when we've got their bollocks in our hand (PC hacking) let them off.
gordondaviesmoustache
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It’s especially disappointing that we let Liverpool appropriate the narrative around this putative Hillsborough chanting so readily. Within a very short period it became an established fact, without any meaningful supporting evidence. Once that happened, the focus (quite intentionally) moved away from acts of assault and criminal damage on our manager and transportation by their supporters, which should always be viewed by any reasonable person far more seriously than a few nasty words. When the fuck did hurt feelings become more egregious than being assaulted with a weapon?The world due to the club doing fuck all about the madia hate campaign against us think we're a FFP cheating state run sportswashed dodgy as fuck oil club.
Doing this sort of stuff with the dips is mind boggling, I would love us to have a plan with this part of it to 'out' them but we do seem to let dip FC do what the fuck they want time and time again & even when we've got their bollocks in our hand (PC hacking) let them off.
How ridiculous that a few hurtful words (whether taken out of context or not) could supplant assault and criminal damage in and around their ground as the story - and showed the club to be amateurish and sluggish in its PR manoeuvring.
The ‘always the victims’ song has frequently been chanted at this fixture, and well before this rivalry intensified, and it’s absolutely no coincidence that on this occasion it became the story when it should have been about acts of violence, not a nasty song that isn’t even about Hillsborough to most people that sing it.
Fucking fuming the club let this happen. If they want to pursue at long term PR strategy in relation to the club itself then that’s their strategic and commercial decision, but they should never hang us supporters out to dry when there’s an unwarranted and calculated attack on us.
They’ve got a duty to protect us in such circumstances and they abjectly failed on that occasion.
halfcenturyup
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It’s especially disappointing that we let Liverpool appropriate the narrative around this putative Hillsborough chanting so readily. Within a very short period it became an established fact, without any meaningful supporting evidence. Once that happened, the focus (quite intentionally) moved away from acts of assault and criminal damage on our manager and transportation by their supporters, which should always be viewed by any reasonable person far more seriously than a few nasty words. When the fuck did hurt feelings become more egregious than being assaulted with a weapon?
How ridiculous that a few hurtful words (whether taken out of context or not) could supplant assault and criminal damage in and around their ground as the story - and showed the club to be amateurish and sluggish in its PR manoeuvring.
The ‘always the victims’ song has frequently been chanted at this fixture, and well before this rivalry intensified, and it’s absolutely no coincidence that on this occasion it became the story when it should have been about acts of violence, not a nasty song that isn’t even about Hillsborough to most people that sing it.
Fucking fuming the club let this happen. If they want to pursue at long term PR strategy in relation to the club itself then that’s their strategic and commercial decision, but they should never hang us supporters out to dry when there’s an unwarranted and calculated attack on us.
They’ve got a duty to protect us in such circumstances and they abjectly failed on that occasion.
I know what you mean and get why you are angry, but they have no such duty. Maybe a moral duty, but morals left football a long time ago.
We have to accept the management has a completely different outlook on the club than fans and, a little City Matters lip service aside, they have no real interest in, or concern for, what is important to match-going fans.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Whether the club think they owe such a duty or not, I absolutely do. It’s also in the club’s own interest to protect the reputation of its own supporters as best it can.I know what you mean and get why you are angry, but they have no such duty. Maybe a moral duty, but morals left football a long time ago.
We have to accept the management has a completely different outlook on the club than fans and, a little City Matters lip service aside, they have no real interest in, or concern for, what is important to match-going fans.
Say what you will about Liverpool, but they seem to share the view around the need to protect their own supporters in the media.
It’s especially disappointing that we let Liverpool appropriate the narrative around this putative Hillsborough chanting so readily. Within a very short period it became an established fact
I'm afraid I blame those of our fans who reportedly sang, "The Sun was right, you're murderers!" at Anfield. Everyone knows that the issues with that newspaper on Merseyside relate to its coverage of the Hillsborough disaster and any chant referencing The Sun is going to be seen in that light. As a result, the narrative of Hillsborough chants was all over social media the moment the game ended.
Any defence of those chants would have widely appeared to non-Blues to be risibly incognizant of the sense of what was sung. Given the context, I understand why City wouldn't even try. They'd simply have opened themselves up to widespread ridicule.
Really, how fucking hard is it to think up a chant that unambiguously references Heysel and only Heysel ("Juve were right, you're murderers," perhaps?). The weapons-grade fucking morons who chanted the version referring to The Sun at Liverpool did both the club and all the rest of us a huge disservice. They really should be called out on it.