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10/09: Manchester rivalry debate - me, Mullock, Custis etc.
- Thread starter Gary James
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andyhinch
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^^^ this, would be good to hear how it went, hopefully Gary will give us some insight.Are these talks recorded?
I'd love to watch or listen if anyone has a podcast?
Thanks
guvnors son mcfc
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As part of the Manchester Football Writers Festival we've managed to organise a debate on the rivalry between City & United. It's similar to last years except this time I'm not neutral - I chaired the event last time but this year I've said I want to focus on City. The other panelists are Simon Mullock, Neil Custis and Simon Wadsworth.
It'll be great to see as many Blues as possible in the audience to support the City angle of course!
Full details here: http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/mcrfwf-the-manchester-derby-tickets-17965049948
There are plenty of great events as part of the festival and I would urge you to also support David Mooney at his event on Wednesday 9th: http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/o/manchester-football-writing-festival-6839756477
Last year's events were a great success, and I'm sure the Manchester derby rivalry evening and David's talk on 1999 will be worth attending. Cheers
Gary, could you possibly ask "what exactly is " The Man Utd Way" We hear this mythical verse almost every day either on Sly Sports or some Rag infested news paper.
Is it ......
The way we financially bailed the out twice ? Or
The way their owners sold out of date meat to local schools, Or
The way they kicked the grieving widows from Munich out of their club houses near the Cliff, Or
The way Sir Bobby sells tickets, Or
The way Ryan Giggs sleeps with his brothers wife, Or
The way Wayne Rooney sleeps with granny prostitutes whilst his wife is pregnant, Or
The Hokey Cokey Rio misses drugs tests , Or
The way Roy Keane ends a fellow professionals career on purpose, Or
The way their owners use the club as a cash cow,
The way Slur Alex bullied the media, refs and even his own players, Or
The way they treat their fans by banning them from League games they have paid for if they don't buy cup tickets to help fill Old Scaffold,
Their super sonic amazing history was no better than most clubs up to around 1992 when football began of course.
Horrible club with horrible fans, Karma is absolutely amazing. They took great pride in kicking a neighbour who helped them with loans, helped them by letting them use our stadium ( the only years they actually ever played their home games in Manchester ) and displayed banners mocking our demise.
He who laughs last, laughs loudest, and boy are we laughing at Man Utd and The Man Utd Way.
Gary James
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Hope everyone who cam enjoyed it. Would love to hear the views of those who did come. How do you think it went? Thanks
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Gary, could you possibly ask "what exactly is " The Man Utd Way" We hear this mythical verse almost every day either on Sly Sports or some Rag infested news paper.
Is it ......
The way we financially bailed the out twice ? Or
The way their owners sold out of date meat to local schools, Or
The way they kicked the grieving widows from Munich out of their club houses near the Cliff, Or
The way Sir Bobby sells tickets, Or
The way Ryan Giggs sleeps with his brothers wife, Or
The way Wayne Rooney sleeps with granny prostitutes whilst his wife is pregnant, Or
The Hokey Cokey Rio misses drugs tests , Or
The way Roy Keane ends a fellow professionals career on purpose, Or
The way their owners use the club as a cash cow,
The way Slur Alex bullied the media, refs and even his own players, Or
The way they treat their fans by banning them from League games they have paid for if they don't buy cup tickets to help fill Old Scaffold,
Their super sonic amazing history was no better than most clubs up to around 1992 when football began of course.
Horrible club with horrible fans, Karma is absolutely amazing. They took great pride in kicking a neighbour who helped them with loans, helped them by letting them use our stadium ( the only years they actually ever played their home games in Manchester ) and displayed banners mocking our demise.
He who laughs last, laughs loudest, and boy are we laughing at Man Utd and The Man Utd Way.
Give that man the Blue Moon Post of the Year Trophy!
Gary, it was an enjoyable and interesting way to pass a couple of hours.
The tone was set early on when Simon Wadsworth rolled out the "City aren't our rivals, we still view Barca, Bayern and Liverpool as our rivals". His comments didn't quite elicit the indignant outrage from the (predominantly blue) audience he clearly hoped. Instead of shouts of protest, loud curses and threats of retribution there were a few wry smiles and a ripple of embarrassed laughter. Such is the measure of how much the balance of power has swung towards the blue side of Manchester over the last few years.
Following that opening gambit I thought it was difficult for the panel to establish any deep hatred between the two sides. Everyone from panelists to audience seemed to be in agreement that City have fantastic players, fantastic facilities, play fantastic football, have fantastic owners and a fantastic manager and United are shit. Difficult to disagree really. Everyone spoke well, particularly (and don't tell anyone I said this) Neil Custis who was remarkably unbiased and rational, that may have been a case of him 'adapting to his audience', but even his pro Mancini stance was not without some merit.
The only moment of concern came from the rag who offered the theory that, based on his (worryingly limited) financial expertise, the Sheik may well find himself up shit creek financially due to the crisis in China. To be honest, I reckon he's probably got someone looking out for that kind of shit and (with 30 billion quid or however much he's got) I figure he'll scrape through this particular crisis the same way he has done with every other crisis that's come and gone. So I doubt we'll be saying "goodbye and thanks for everything" in the near future. The Glazers of course are immune from that sort of stuff.
That was it in a nutshell, some interesting anecdotes but nothing like the 70's, no fighting, no bottles thrown or even any insults hurled, just the bus home at 9 o'clock.
The tone was set early on when Simon Wadsworth rolled out the "City aren't our rivals, we still view Barca, Bayern and Liverpool as our rivals". His comments didn't quite elicit the indignant outrage from the (predominantly blue) audience he clearly hoped. Instead of shouts of protest, loud curses and threats of retribution there were a few wry smiles and a ripple of embarrassed laughter. Such is the measure of how much the balance of power has swung towards the blue side of Manchester over the last few years.
Following that opening gambit I thought it was difficult for the panel to establish any deep hatred between the two sides. Everyone from panelists to audience seemed to be in agreement that City have fantastic players, fantastic facilities, play fantastic football, have fantastic owners and a fantastic manager and United are shit. Difficult to disagree really. Everyone spoke well, particularly (and don't tell anyone I said this) Neil Custis who was remarkably unbiased and rational, that may have been a case of him 'adapting to his audience', but even his pro Mancini stance was not without some merit.
The only moment of concern came from the rag who offered the theory that, based on his (worryingly limited) financial expertise, the Sheik may well find himself up shit creek financially due to the crisis in China. To be honest, I reckon he's probably got someone looking out for that kind of shit and (with 30 billion quid or however much he's got) I figure he'll scrape through this particular crisis the same way he has done with every other crisis that's come and gone. So I doubt we'll be saying "goodbye and thanks for everything" in the near future. The Glazers of course are immune from that sort of stuff.
That was it in a nutshell, some interesting anecdotes but nothing like the 70's, no fighting, no bottles thrown or even any insults hurled, just the bus home at 9 o'clock.
Gary, could you possibly ask "what exactly is " The Man Utd Way" We hear this mythical verse almost every day either on Sly Sports or some Rag infested news paper.
Is it ......
The way we financially bailed the out twice ? Or
The way their owners sold out of date meat to local schools, Or
The way they kicked the grieving widows from Munich out of their club houses near the Cliff, Or
The way Sir Bobby sells tickets, Or
The way Ryan Giggs sleeps with his brothers wife, Or
The way Wayne Rooney sleeps with granny prostitutes whilst his wife is pregnant, Or
The Hokey Cokey Rio misses drugs tests , Or
The way Roy Keane ends a fellow professionals career on purpose, Or
The way their owners use the club as a cash cow,
The way Slur Alex bullied the media, refs and even his own players, Or
The way they treat their fans by banning them from League games they have paid for if they don't buy cup tickets to help fill Old Scaffold,
Their super sonic amazing history was no better than most clubs up to around 1992 when football began of course.
Horrible club with horrible fans, Karma is absolutely amazing. They took great pride in kicking a neighbour who helped them with loans, helped them by letting them use our stadium ( the only years they actually ever played their home games in Manchester ) and displayed banners mocking our demise.
He who laughs last, laughs loudest, and boy are we laughing at Man Utd and The Man Utd Way.
Take a massive bow my friend, absolute quality.
George Hannah
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If Sheikh Mansour said his fond farewell to City tomorrow (Allah forbid) we would still be set fair for the next ten years at least!The only moment of concern came from the rag who offered the theory that, based on his (worryingly limited) financial expertise, the Sheik may well find himself up shit creek financially due to the crisis in China. To be honest, I reckon he's probably got someone looking out for that kind of shit and (with 30 billion quid or however much he's got) I figure he'll scrape through this particular crisis the same way he has done with every other crisis that's come and gone. So I doubt we'll be saying "goodbye and thanks for everything" in the near future. The Glazers of course are immune from that sort of stuff.
Prestwich_Blue
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The stock market crisis in China should have little if any impact on the rest of the world as most major Chinese enterprises are effectively state-owned.The only moment of concern came from the rag who offered the theory that, based on his (worryingly limited) financial expertise, the Sheik may well find himself up shit creek financially due to the crisis in China. To be honest, I reckon he's probably got someone looking out for that kind of shit and (with 30 billion quid or however much he's got) I figure he'll scrape through this particular crisis the same way he has done with every other crisis that's come and gone. So I doubt we'll be saying "goodbye and thanks for everything" in the near future. The Glazers of course are immune from that sort of stuff.
But let's look at the Glazers. Their main business (First Allied Corporation) is shopping malls and they basically act as Buy-To-Let landlords. They buy the malls with large loans and then rent the space out. The theory is that the rent covers the mortgage and other expenses and the capital value of the property increases. However 2008 changed all that. Many companies were badly hit and went out of business, leaving lower occupancy rates in First Allied malls. Some malls filed for bankruptcy and others were in negative equity.
Things have recovered a bit since then and occupancy rates seem to be higher but there are still unlet lots in many of their malls. US commercial property simply hasn't recovered to the degree that other areas of the economy have and there's also a general view that all but the most up-market malls, those with a prestigious anchor tenant like Neiman Marcus for example, are under threat.
http://www.businessinsider.com/shopping-malls-are-going-extinct-2014-1?IR=T
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/03/10/shopping-malls-middle-class-face-a-bleak-future
The Glazer malls tend to have stores like KMart as their anchor and they're shutting shops. If the big shop in a mall shuts, that's usually the death knell for the rest of it. So the Glazers are likely to be left with a load of malls that are not covering their expenses, are in negative equity and where they face the threat of foreclosure (which has already happened to some). They used to have a statement on their website about offering to buy malls and being able to complete quickly. That's gone now. They aren't looking to buy any more; they're looking to sell space. Our financially illiterate raggy boy needs to brush up on his economics.
ccr
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I think Joe Mercer would give us at least 15 years George.