125 years

Expected City to kick up more of a fuss about this on their social media! Only seen one boring little post.
 
Man City launch new stadium tour as they celebrate 125th birthday
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ball-news/man-city-stadium-tour-2019-16132400

Manchester City celebrate anniversary by launching a new history-rich tour for fans 125 years after the club changed its name from Ardwick AFC
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...e-anniversary-launching-new-stadium-tour.html

Gallery: Manchester City launch new stadium tour
https://www.mancity.com/news/club-news/picture-special/2019/april/man-city-new-stadium-tour-gallery
 
We are 125 years old today

Next season will be the 125th anniversary season
 
Millennium said:
Why 1894 and not 1880? I know the name was changed in 1894, but the Club was established in 1880.
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Because St Mark’s turned into Gorton AFC who turned into Ardwick AFC who went bust and Manchester City were formed independently from those clubs, despite having some members who formed Manchester City associated with them.

Manchester City FC were formed as a club from scratch on 16th April 1894. We were not known by any other name before that as there was no club before then. St Mark’s/Gorton/Ardwick are not who we were before Manchester City like Newton Heath were before they were Manchester United.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Because St Mark’s turned into Gorton AFC who turned into Ardwick AFC who went bust and Manchester City were formed independently from those clubs, despite having some members who formed Manchester City associated with them.

Manchester City FC were formed as a club from scratch on 16th April 1894. We were not known by any other name before that as there was no club before then. St Mark’s/Gorton/Ardwick are not who we were before Manchester City like Newton Heath were before they were Manchester United.
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Dissagree, yes we are Manchester city from 1894 onwards, but the other teams that came before us are deiffately the same club under different names in escence.

Parbly was Secrerary and Manager throughout the change and I do believe we started the 1893/94 season as ardwick and 2 days after the last game we announced Manchester City would be our name as a club and in trading terms and played post season friendlys as them before the new season officially started in July so finished ardwicks last season under the city name.

We also stayed at our ground, and even thoigh we wore sky blue/ white that first season it wasn't until a few years later tgat we settle on it as permammet kit.

So for me we were formed in 1880, but we arrived in 1894.
 
urban genie said:
Dissagree, yes we are Manchester city from 1894 onwards, but the other teams that came before us are deiffately the same club under different names in escence.

Parbly was Secrerary and Manager throughout the change and I do believe we started the 1893/94 season as ardwick and 2 days after the last game we announced Manchester City would be our name as a club and in trading terms and played post season friendlys as them before the new season officially started in July so finished ardwicks last season under the city name.

We also stayed at our ground, and even thoigh we wore sky blue/ white that first season it wasn't until a few years later tgat we settle on it as permammet kit.

So for me we were formed in 1880, but we arrived in 1894.
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See it as a pregnancy, we were formed before but celebrate our birthday when we were born :)
 
urban genie said:
Dissagree, yes we are Manchester city from 1894 onwards, but the other teams that came before us are deiffately the same club under different names in escence.

Parbly was Secrerary and Manager throughout the change and I do believe we started the 1893/94 season as ardwick and 2 days after the last game we announced Manchester City would be our name as a club and in trading terms and played post season friendlys as them before the new season officially started in July so finished ardwicks last season under the city name.

We also stayed at our ground, and even thoigh we wore sky blue/ white that first season it wasn't until a few years later tgat we settle on it as permammet kit.

So for me we were formed in 1880, but we arrived in 1894.
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Sorry, that’s wrong. MCFC was launched as a new club. Ardwick and City played at the same time. Once it became clear MCFC was popular Ardwick men joined the new club. Parlby.... well read my Folklore book. I explained most of this at my talk last week. Everything connected with Ardwick and Gorton etc important BUT MCFC established as a new club.
 
Gary James said:
Sorry, that’s wrong. MCFC was launched as a new club. Ardwick and City played at the same time. Once it became clear MCFC was popular Ardwick men joined the new club. Parlby.... well read my Folklore book. I explained most of this at my talk last week. Everything connected with Ardwick and Gorton etc important BUT MCFC established as a new club.
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Ok, I stand corrected, but I do find this dissmissing of ardwick and Gorton by some fans as our history but not part of city, unfair on those 2 clubs.
Maybe it's because I was brought up in the 80s with 1880 and St Mark's always talked as by blues as city, 1894 was never really talked about in depth when our formation was mentioned
 
Gary James said:
Sorry, that’s wrong. MCFC was launched as a new club. Ardwick and City played at the same time. Once it became clear MCFC was popular Ardwick men joined the new club. Parlby.... well read my Folklore book. I explained most of this at my talk last week. Everything connected with Ardwick and Gorton etc important BUT MCFC established as a new club.
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Bloody ell, so are we having a cake or not today???? Its like Yaya-Cake Gate all over again FFS ;-))
 
Gary James said:
Sorry, that’s wrong. MCFC was launched as a new club. Ardwick and City played at the same time. Once it became clear MCFC was popular Ardwick men joined the new club. Parlby.... well read my Folklore book. I explained most of this at my talk last week. Everything connected with Ardwick and Gorton etc important BUT MCFC established as a new club.
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Didn’t realise this Gary,I thought city was formed out of ardwick,when in fact both played at the same time ,wow I need to read up a bit more on the history of the club then,so technically we have a tentative connection with st marks and Gorton but not an actual one,or am I overthinking this a bit ...
 
deano ou812 said:
Didn’t realise this Gary,I thought city was formed out of ardwick,when in fact both played at the same time ,wow I need to read up a bit more on the history of the club then,so technically we have a tentative connection with st marks and Gorton but not an actual one,or am I overthinking this a bit ...
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It’s a major connection and very important but it’s vital we get our history right. Other clubs may choose to stick with dates that don’t really mean much but we need to stick to facts - we’re better than others (Stoke for example have 1863 on their badge but actually formed in 1866!). On 1880 - the latest research on that is in my Folklore book too.
 
Gary James said:
It’s a major connection and very important but it’s vital we get our history right. Other clubs may choose to stick with dates that don’t really mean much but we need to stick to facts - we’re better than others (Stoke for example have 1863 on their badge but actually formed in 1866!). On 1880 - the latest research on that is in my Folklore book too.
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Cheers Gary,thanks for the reply ...
 
Gary James said:
Those that wanted Ardwick to continue remained and objected to MCFC; the new MCFC attracted committeemen who had not previously been involved. They were two clubs - However.... MCFC would never have existed without Ardwick and therefore the roots of the club are the same and must be remembered. In a sense the establishment of FC Utd is an example of what happened though for different reasons - some chose to create a new club as the old one was not doing what they wanted it to; some objected and stayed loyal to their old club; others joined the new club and another group who had never been associated with the old club also joined the new club. The difference being that Ardwick eventually closed down and then others - but not all - joined the new club. With FC Utd some claim MUFC as their origins and it is true it wouldn't have existed without MUFC but that doesn't mean it's the same club.

We can never, and should never, dismiss Ardwick - without those roots MCFC would never have existed. I think it irks people that MUFC incorrectly portray their transformation as the same club and it was not. The two were similar recreations. St Mark's, West Gorton, Belle Vue, Gorton and Ardwick are all important and their stories must be told and remembered, but it is also extremely important that we celebrate the 125th anniversary of MCFC being established.

Both City and Utd have claimed different formation dates in the past - NH was 1885 in some books in the 60s; City's was 1887 in the match programme during the 1980s - but the establishment of MCFC in 1894 and MUFC in 1902 should always be properly recognised, while remembering the footballing activities that started for definite by Nov 1880 but potentially during the 1870s.
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How come United weren’t incorporated as a company until 1907. What was their status between 1902 and 1907. Is 1907 not their equivalent of our 1894?
 
Gary James said:
They became a Ltd co in 1902. Not checked 1907 but that could be some kind of reconstruction based on new directors. Where’s the 1907 from?
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https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00095489

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Gary James said:
Sorry, that’s wrong. MCFC was launched as a new club. Ardwick and City played at the same time. Once it became clear MCFC was popular Ardwick men joined the new club. Parlby.... well read my Folklore book. I explained most of this at my talk last week. Everything connected with Ardwick and Gorton etc important BUT MCFC established as a new club.
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Only just caught up with this thread. Thank you Gary, we are all indebted to your knowledge.
 
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