#16 | Rodri - 2020/21 Performances

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WNRH said:
Ah that old “he plays for Spain so must be good”

The same Spain that currently has a 35 year old Jesus Navas at RB, De Gea and Kepa fighting for number one and our 5th best CB in their starting eleven.

Viva Espana!
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Funny this is supposed to be some sort of counterpoint but actually reinforced the post you replied to.

Navas, Garcia and Kepa are in the team because of their ability on the ball. How this somehow proves Rodri is poor on the ball I am not sure, could you talk me through the logic.

Or is the post simply 'Spain have some shit players therefore Rodri is also shit'?
 
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alexmcity said:
Good to know that you can see the future, I'll admit I can't.

Note, though, that Fernandinho was worse than Rodri back in 16/17 to the extent that Pep had to play Toure at DM. At 24, Fernandinho was a nobody in an obscure league. I'm sure you can see what the future holds, shame you can't remember the past though.
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Whatever issues Rodri (or Gundogan I suppose) have, it's just not constructive to compare him to this imaginary Fernandinho, who is supposed to have the defensive might of Kanté, combined with the metronomic ability of Busquets, combined with the playmaking skills of Pirlo. He has been a great DM I must say, but his abilities are artificially inflated more than most, probably due to his workrate (which in fairness has been phenomenal, on and off the pitch).

It doesn't do Fernandinho any favours either. Because whenever he comes back into the team and plays at the exact level he's supposed to people act like he's had this massive fall from grace, when he hasn't.


It's been similar to discussions on Jesus and Aguero, whereby Aguero never misses a chance, single handedly wins every big game, is a perfect link up player and so on and so on. It's not true, and it only makes people mad at Aguero when he comes into the team and isn't absolutely flawless (although personally it's more forgivable as Aguero has a decade of brilliance behind him).
 
mccity said:
Whatever issues Rodri (or Gundogan I suppose) have, it's just not constructive to compare him to this imaginary Fernandinho, who is supposed to have the defensive might of Kanté, combined with the metronomic ability of Busquets, combined with the playmaking skills of Pirlo. He has been a great DM I must say, but his abilities are artificially inflated more than most, probably due to his workrate (which in fairness has been phenomenal, on and off the pitch).

It doesn't do Fernandinho any favours either. Because whenever he comes back into the team and plays at the exact level he's supposed to people act like he's had this massive fall from grace, when he hasn't.


It's been similar to discussions on Jesus and Aguero, whereby Aguero never misses a chance, single handedly wins every big game, is a perfect link up player and so on and so on. It's not true, and it only makes people mad at Aguero when he comes into the team and isn't absolutely flawless (although personally it's more forgivable as Aguero has a decade of brilliance behind him).
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You are bang on with Rodri and Jesus being compared with their predecessors.

In a season where we have lost 1 game and looked the best defensively we have for many years it is somehow solely the performances of the defensive midfielder we aren't top of the table.

The 5 attacking players in front of him should be the ones getting the stick as our attacking play and finishing has been pretty woeful so far.
 
EdersonsSmiley said:
You are bang on with Rodri and Jesus being compared with their predecessors.

In a season where we have lost 1 game and looked the best defensively we have for many years it is somehow solely the performances of the defensive midfielder we aren't top of the table.

The 5 attacking players in front of him should be the ones getting the stick as our attacking play and finishing has been pretty woeful so far.
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Tbh the diversity of opinions is what I find interesting about forums, even though I often disagree with opinions that are expressed.

Wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting if we all saw things the same way.

Anyway our lack of goals is a concern and some of the players like Sterling and Mahrez are way off and need to show big improvements imo.

Torres gets a pass from me due to his newness to the team/ PL , and I actually think he has done quite well.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Tbh the diversity of opinions is what I find interesting about forums, even though I often disagree with opinions that are expressed.

Wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting if we all saw things the same way.

Anyway our lack of goals is a concern and some of the players like Sterling and Mahrez are way off and need to show big improvements imo.

Torres gets a pass from me due to his newness to the team/ PL , and I actually think he has done quite well.
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I agree that Torres should get a pass but Sterling and Kevin have been poor for a lot of the season.

It irks me a little that whenever either of the aforementioned puts in a poor performances everyone jumps on the 'hes tired' excuse but when it's Rodri or Jesus or Gundogan it's because they are shit and this is just more proof of it.

Obviously we all have our favourite players but a lot of the time there is no room for discussion because people just jump to extremes. A player is either untouchable for criticism or shit for a large number of posters.
 
domalino said:
This analysis has some interesting things to say about Rodri, including pointing out that he created the equaliser. Worth a few minutes IMO.

www.coachesvoice.com

Tactical Analysis: Manchester City 1 Liverpool 1 - Coaches' Voice

Liverpool and Manchester City could not be separated as the 2020/21 title race was thrown open to Manchester United, Chelsea and Tottenham
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I think if anything it highlights how much effort Liverpool put into nullifying him, which they always try to do with our DMs.
I don't think it was his best game, but we've said that often about Touré, Fernandinho and Gundogan against Liverpool too so maybe this isn't the best game to judge him on.
He did enough to showcase what he's good at though. For me personally one of Rodri's biggest assets is how effectively he presses when we're on top of the opposition; he wins those 50/50s in the middle third against opposition strikers/wingers/attacking midfielders with his timing and strength and maintains tempo so well in the process. We saw more of this as the game went by yesterday. Plus, his distribution at times is very sharp and clever, as we saw with the equaliser.


I'm still very optimistic on the lad. I think as we improve as a team our collective opinions on Rodri will become far more positive.
 
Yesterday wasn't a good game to judge Rodri with since Liverpool practically put a box around Rodri with Salah + Firmino in front of him and Henderson + Wijnaldum behind him.
 
Craig said:
Dinho was twice the player Rodri could ever be so not sure what use pointing out he had some bad games is. He’s a drop off in standard to what we had just like Mahrez etc. No surprise the team has also dropped off so badly
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You cannot compare them for one simple reason. Ferna is 34 and all his past performances can be assessed. What was he like at 24. Rodri is 24 near the start of his career, when he is 34, only then can you compare them fairly. It's like comparing Delap with Harry Kane, we won't know what sort of career Delap will have until the end of it. There are many reasons why the team has "dropped off", one is they are a new team not the title winning team people want to compare them with.
 
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