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1st goal at Everton
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DontLookBackInAnger
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Thats not the 1st time Mad Zab has given up a stupid free-kick to cost us a goal and I agree with Given he really should have done better with it.
OrigamiNinja
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Citytillidie69 said:OrigamiNinja said:Can someone who is knowledgeable on the art of goalkeeping please explain something to me which has puzzled me for years?
When a keeper sets up his wall why do they ALWAYS put the wall on the side which is the shortest distance to the goal from where the free kick is being taken? When the ball goes over/through the wall as it did on Saturday a keeper then has less time to react (we may only be talking fractions of a second here) than he would if the free kick taker was made to go over/through the wall if it was stationed to cover the other corner! Also surely if the wall covers the other side the keeper then has a much better view of the free kick being taken?
unless Garrido is taking the free kick against you.......
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When Garrido scored against Wolves it was the same situation, the wall was covering the near side and Garrido put it in at the near side with the keeper having no time to react to the ball going around his wall!
Citytillidie69
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OrigamiNinja said:Citytillidie69 said:unless Garrido is taking the free kick against you.......
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When Garrido scored against Wolves it was the same situation, the wall was covering the near side and Garrido put it in at the near side with the keeper having no time to react to the ball going around his wall!
Sorry ninja, Im struggling to understand your point. Are you saying the wall on Saturday should have been more to the RHS (from the free kick takers view) and if so by how much. A diagram would be useful.
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Citytillidie69 said:OrigamiNinja said:?
When Garrido scored against Wolves it was the same situation, the wall was covering the near side and Garrido put it in at the near side with the keeper having no time to react to the ball going around his wall!
Sorry ninja, Im struggling to understand your point. Are you saying the wall on Saturday should have been more to the RHS (from the free kick takers view) and if so by how much. A diagram would be useful.
Not one of my diagrams mate :-)!
What I am saying about the wall on Sat and in general is that the wall is always placed by the keeper to cover the near post. Meaning that if the free kick taker clears the wall the distance to the goal then is shorter than what it would be if the wall was set up to cover the far post.
The World and his wife knew before Pienaar took the free kick on Saturday where he was going to put it, I would suggest that decent free kick takers actually see the wall as an advantage these days to shield the ball from the keeper because the keeper doesnt see the ball until it has gone over the wall.
Hope this has cleared up any confusion with my 1st post?
it,s called a tommy hutch moment
BlueMo' said:If De Jong hadn't moved to his left he'd have got his head to it.
It was a poor goal to concede.
What was he thinking?
We'll just have to take our spanking and move on.
lastmanback
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OrigamiNinja
your theory is all wrong, if the wall moves more to shays left, the free kickers right,
the keeper see's nothing and also by your account every team is doing it wrong,
if the wall is an advantage to the kicker then why bother having one.
your theory is all wrong, if the wall moves more to shays left, the free kickers right,
the keeper see's nothing and also by your account every team is doing it wrong,
if the wall is an advantage to the kicker then why bother having one.
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danburge82 said:I blame Given for this! the wall had the wrong men in it, it was unbalanced, it was too far to the left (Givens right) to stop a Garrido@Wolves style goal but a man on the post would have stopped that, it outlines that we have very small players in too many positions in our team (Given Zab DeJong Robi Tevez Bellers SWP, Ireland if he plays etc etc ... we got bullied throughout the game on Sat and were just easily brushed aside by bigger stronger faster men and it will happen in other games against similar teams in this league!!) as we had to use up our few bigger men to mark their big men in the box!
I dont think putting a man on the post at a free kick is the wisest decision allowing a huge team like Everton to then stand on top of Given.
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lastmanback said:OrigamiNinja
your theory is all wrong, if the wall moves more to shays left, the free kickers right,
the keeper see's nothing and also by your account every team is doing it wrong,
if the wall is an advantage to the kicker then why bother having one.
How does the keeper see nothing? The keeper will move to the right and cover the other half of the goal, the half that is nearer to the where the free kick is being taken from, I am not suggesting that the wall is moved and the keeper remains where he is directly behind the wall and the wall and keeper both cover the same side!
If anyone on here understands the point I am making and can draw a diagram to show what I am trying to say please do so!
I am not saying that I am correct but what I am asking for is an explanation as to why I am incorrect? As you say all teams set up their walls the same way so I am asking why this is the case because from what I can see it makes no sense that a wall that essentially must remain stationary are covering the nearest side to the goal!