2020 US Elections

[mancity2012_eamo]

I’d last two minutes before being shot voting over there today as I’m not able to keep my mouth shut, which may come as a shock...

Noooo!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Fun fact:

Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett are the second and third SCOTUS judges appointed by Republicans who also acted for the Republican Party in the Bush v's Gore court battles. Joining Roberts. So 3 of the 9 Justices have a background in working for the GOP in contesting elections.

Colour me shocked.

 

[dave_blue12]

You mean that thing that started in 2005 and has been Government policy throughout the Bush, Obama and Trump administrations? Ok

This appears to be false.

Who decided to separate families ?

 

[Damocles]

Fun fact:

Kavanaugh and Coney Barrett are the second and third SCOTUS judges appointed by Republicans who also acted for the Republican Party in the Bush v's Gore court battles. Joining Roberts. So 3 of the 9 Justices have a background in working for the GOP in contesting elections.

Isn't this entirely common sense?

You have conservative law professionals and you have a a massive case that will hire lots of law professionals.

Why would you consider this strange or corrupt in some fashion?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Isn't this entirely common sense?

You have conservative law professionals and you have a a massive case that will hire lots of law professionals.

Why would you consider this strange or corrupt in some fashion?

It's entirely partisan.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

I got dogs abuse on here for suggesting that the Trump presidency hadn't actually done much besides troll the permanently outraged - I was immediately castigated by the permanently outraged. I had a peep on his twitter as that's where most of the stuff on here about him comes from, and it looks like he uses it purely to troll people who hate him. I'd be genuinely interested to know how many of his millions of followers are supporters. From the replies to his trolling it would appear hardly any - he feeds his brand on the fuel of well-meaning liberal hatred as far as I can see.

That is because you are both wrong

 

[BobKowalski]

This appears to be false.

Who decided to separate families ?

The odd thing is that even if it were true how the fuck would it justify it continuing under this administration? The defence is ‘well Obama did it’, like that makes it okay?

Every right wing fuck nut does this when you bring it to up, and not one can see the moral void at the heart of their response.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Hope not Hate

COME ON BIDEN!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Damocles]

This appears to be false.

Who decided to separate families ?

It's not, the article actually backs it up.

In 1997, Democrat President Bill Clinton signed the Flores Settlement law that required unaccompanied minors who arrive in the US to be released to their parents, a legal guardian or an adult relative.

If no relatives are available then the relevant government agency can appoint an appropriate adult to look after the child.

And in 2008, Republican President George W Bush signed an anti-trafficking statute that requires unaccompanied minors to be transferred out of immigration centres within 72 hours.

Neither of these recommends separating families.

We're somewhat arguing semantics here. The separation of children from their families has been occurring for most of the time the legislation has been in place; Trump's addition to this shambles in his "zero tolerance" policy was essentially saying that the thing that was already happening was ok and now aimed.

There's more details on this here:

First peek: Immigrant children flood detention center

U.S. Customs and Border Protection briefly opened the doors of a holding facility for hundreds of immigrant children shipped to Arizona.

eu.azcentral.com

And the changes here:

Parents of 545 Children Separated at the Border Cannot Be Found (Published 2020)

A new report shows hundreds of cases in which the deported parents of migrant children who were taken from their families cannot be located.

www.nytimes.com

A lot of this story is semantic anyway, it relies on the wording of "parents". As the NYT article reads, when you expand that to cover other relatives or guardians then the story changes somewhat. The situation is fairly understandable though from a US perspective. To them, immigrants are criminals so they lock up the criminals and put the kids of criminals with other family or as a last resort in the social service because they now have nobody to take care of them because they've just arrested the parents.

Again I'd argue that the problem here is that successive American Governments and arguably the American people/culture have always treated immigrants like invaders rather than some guy in Washington just creating this whole situation on a whim

 

[Damocles]

The odd thing is that even if it were true how the fuck would it justify it continuing under this administration? The defence is ‘well Obama did it’, like that makes it okay?

Because the point we're debating is "this is something that changed under Trump and is irreversible", so whether it changed under Trump or was pre-existing is the key component of that.