2020 US Elections

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I don't think Biden will win Georgia based on the number left, although they are absentee votes which may be more Biden than the current averages.
 
SWP's back said:
The fuck?

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A possible (reasonable) explanation for this would be to carry out the work involved with “curing” ballot defects/rejections, which often includes contacting and/or working with voters.

Will be waiting intently for the clarification, though.
 
mccity said:
I think there's another big one in that they legitimately think that he's the best option or the party is legitimately better. To us there may be no or very limited logic as how we can get to the conclusion that Trump is the no1 guy but for them they have a differing background that means that the assumptions they use to make logical conclusions are vastly different to ours.

A lot of people are ill-informed, and not because of bad intent but just because they are. They've probably spent their entire lives growing up surrounded by people who think the way that's conducive to voting to Trump in 2020. All of their opinions and beliefs have been shaped by their surroundings that lead to the way they are now. Religious, capitalist, nationalist etc. So as an example when we think of immigration we may think of the cultural and economic benefits, but those exact same things are really terrifying if you have racist/xenophobic/ant-communist fears or beliefs.

So all the things we think are dumb, they think are smart, and vice versa. Their beliefs make absolutely no sense to us, but conversely, they feel the same way about us.

It's why when we spoke last I said it's important we really try to figure these people out, because right now we're at a stage where we might as well be trying to convince them using interpretive dance. There's no way they're going to comprehend our logic, so it's for us to take responsibility get onto their level instead.


There was a different case of something similar on this forum. I apologise immensely to @Bigga if I get this wrong or your uncomfortable with me singling you out and will happily delete any of this post if he asks me too, but I couldn't help but notice his anti-Biden stance. I've seen pro-Trump, anti-Trump, pro-Democrat, anti-Democrat, pro-Republican, anti-Republican stances all about since the campaigns started, but very little either way about Biden, which is interesting. But I also know enough from being on this forum that Bigga has experienced many aspects of his life in a different way due to his skin colour. A lot probably bad unfortunately, but not necessarily all of it. But I can only assume this means that because of this Bigga sees things differently. Different levels of understandings on some things, different perspectives on some things, different priorities etc. And on all stuff, not just race, but anything. Music tastes, stance on environmental policies, whether a candidate not being Trump is enough ignore the bits you don't like about the guy..
And I bring him up because when he was debating his points, I felt most parties used reasonable logic but ultimately everyone was coming at each other from a different angle and no ground was broken. And it's weird because you have these scenarios where legitimately nobody's wrong, at least in their own heads. But everyone else, is!
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I'm good using me as a ref point.

My PoV is reflected in the demographic shift to the Orange Gimp, simply because there was no other option. A raise in vote from Latinos/ Hispanic and a bump in Black men and women vote says something. And to be honest, I wouldn't have been surprised if the Black male vote shifted up to 20%.

It didn't happen this time, but I know if a third party gets activated with all the issues people have interest in, the Dems and GOP are in trouble.
 
Bigga said:
I'm good using me as a ref point.

My PoV is reflected in the demographic shift to the Orange Gimp, simply because there was no other option. A raise in vote from Latinos/ Hispanic and a bump in Black men and women vote says something. And to be honest, I wouldn't have been surprised if the Black male vote shifted up to 20%.

It didn't happen this time, but I know if a third party gets activated with all the issues people have interest in, the Dems and GOP are in trouble.
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Unless electoral reform happens a 3rd party will never be anything more than a protest vote
 
blue b4 the moon said:
They all do seem to drag it out....count 4M votes on the night then fuck about with 700,000 over 3 days.

USA USA
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Did Nevada not do the same yeaterday.

This will either calm things down a bit, or raise tensions further. Can't work out which, i'm about 48.5% vs 48.1% with only 92% of my mind made up.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Unless electoral reform happens a 3rd party will never be anything more than a protest vote
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Including a constitutional amendment (as absolutely no one wants Congress to decide presidential elections), which makes the overall reform required to enable a true multi-party system very, very difficult in modern times.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Including a constitutional amendment (as absolutely no one wants Congress to decide presidential elections), which makes the overall reform required to enable a true multi-party system very, very difficult in modern times.
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The first step is getting rid of the electoral college and either replacing it with a straight popular vote or ranked voting.

It's obvious the republicans will never want to get rid of the EC and I'm doubtful the democrats will back ranked voting when a straight popular vote would help them more
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
No really. There are people who slavishly follow every utterance of the leader and his acolytes, however much dog-whistle racist rhetoric they come out with. Never really been a problem in a mainstream political party here thank goodness.
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And sadly it's not just American Evangelicals who use religion as politics by other means....

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November 2019.

The chief rabbi Ephraim Mirvis urged people to vote "with their conscience"

"a new poison...has taken root in the (Labour) Party"
 
Coatigan said:
Did Nevada not do the same yeaterday.

This will either calm things down a bit, or raise tensions further. Can't work out which, i'm about 48.5% vs 48.1% with only 92% of my mind made up.
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Late thoughts lean very heavily towards "raise tension further" though, so that's likely to win it by the time you get to 100% if the data holds up.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Unless electoral reform happens a 3rd party will never be anything more than a protest vote
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It's not meant to extract a candidate from it, but who knows?

The main goal would have been to have an influential voting block, formed a bit like a union.

There's enough of a disaffected and disenfranchised voter to engage. This is would be a party of people able to support to push Progressive candidates to the House and Senate. Right now this happens under the Dem steam and why the DNC does all it can to root out these candidates.

So, a bit like the Lib Dems working with the Tories some years back, would be the intention. Separate but having the ability to sway the balance of power with the working class to benefit.
 
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