2020 US Elections

[Vic]

I can't see that. Admitting he's got it means that he has got the risk (to him and to his contacts) wrong, and confuses all those of his base who think the virus is a hoax.

 

[Silva_Spell]

Pity about the native Americans.

Alas, the way of the world back then
Perhaps people would be saying (or whispering) the same about non-German Europeans and, indeed, Brits if not for the creation and expansion of the US

 

[SWP's back]

I can't see that. Admitting he's got it means that he has got the risk (to him and to his contacts) wrong, and confuses all those of his base who think the virus is a hoax.

Yeah but you’re equating him and his campaign with rationality.

 

[mat]

I expect Biden will suspend campaigning for 48 hours and may regret it as Trumps team fills the media with lies about him.

 

[Bigga]

I suspect #45 testing 'positive' for COVID may be yet another attempt to subvert the debates OR a chance to do a 'Boris' and garner a more 'Human' connection with the voter!

Too cynical...??

 

[BigOscar]

All just a chance to change the conversation from his disaster of a debate and failure to show Biden up. Expect him to be bragging about how strong and healthy he is in a week or two probably mocking Biden saying it would have killed him

 

[MillionMilesAway]

All just a chance to change the conversation from his disaster of a debate and failure to show Biden up. Expect him to be bragging about how strong and healthy he is in a week or two probably mocking Biden saying it would have killed him

A week or two? At least once a day, I reckon.

 

[BigOscar]

A week or two? At least once a day, I reckon.

True, daily updates about how fine he is doing because how healthy he is, doctors are amazed how well he's doing.

On a serious note if melania has i wouldn't be testing trump, she's never anywhere near him

 

[DrBlueBob]

I was going to comment on this but all I have are a series of anecdotes from focus groups conducted after the debate and a rash of Twitter commentary -- it looks like a good-sized portion of that small sliver of undecideds were appalled by Trump's 1) overall behavior, 2) the refusal to condemn white supremacy (which is how they saw it WITHOUT a media filter, Damo) and 3) the attacks on Biden's kid (again, as they saw it). Some wanted Biden to show more "attack dog" to combat Trump's behavior but others lauded Biden for not going over there and strangling him or walking off the stage. Additional anecdotes suggest Trump signs being removed from lawns all over the country on Wednesday morning, but there's no data obviously.

Recall Trump's press conferences aren't prime time, aren't necessarily about topics of interest, and the snippets you see of him in the MSM and otherwise of him speaking are just that -- snippets -- easy to dismiss or ignore. Not the debate. Prime time, with his opponent right there, unvarnished and unedited. And it seems clear from the initial reaction that many folks were greatly disturbed by what they saw.

There's a lot of time left and anything can happen and there are two more debates but my initial visceral reaction from the last 36 hours is that his performance has harmed his chances greatly.

Anything can happen, how prophetic.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

True, daily updates about how fine he is doing because how healthy he is, doctors are amazed how well he's doing.

On a serious note if melania has i wouldn't be testing trump, she's never anywhere near him

Helicopter trips have been cited as being close proximity with Hicks, and generally without being seen with masks.

 

[DrBlueBob]

Is it just me but I`d like to punch this fucker till my fists bleed

No it isn't.

 

[SWP's back]

I suspect #45 testing 'positive' for COVID may be yet another attempt to subvert the debates OR a chance to do a 'Boris' and garner a more 'Human' connection with the voter!

Too cynical...??

No I think you’re probably on the money.

 

[Dax777]

People live longer. Two of the first judges on the supreme court were dead within a year.

Again, average length of life was not the basis for making the Supreme Court lifetime appointments.

The Supreme Court acts as a check against the power of Congress and the President. The lifetime appointment is designed to ensure that the justices are insulated from political pressure and that the court can serve as a truly independent branch of government.

Members living longer or shorter thus is only relevant to those who hope to influence the Court in one way or another. I.e. attempting to undermine the very conditions lifetime appointments, in theory, try to protect.

 

[SWP's back]

Again, average length of life was not the basis for making the Supreme Court lifetime appointments.

The Supreme Court acts as a check against the power of Congress and the President. The lifetime appointment is designed to ensure that the justices are insulated from political pressure and that the court can serve as a truly independent branch of government.

Members living longer or shorter thus is only relevant to those who hope to influence the Court in one way or another. I.e. attempting to undermine the very conditions lifetime appointments, in theory, try to protect.

And you don’t see the inherent issue that a 1 term president could, in effect, tilt the court hugely to the right or left with 3 or 4 appointments and it be stuck there for 30-40 years despite 70% of the population being of another persuasion on (what are weirdly American only) critical matters such as Roe v Wade.

 

[Vic]

...

The Supreme Court acts as a check against the power of Congress and the President. The lifetime appointment is designed to ensure that the justices are insulated from political pressure and that the court can serve as a truly independent branch of government...

Not working, is it?

 

[SWP's back]

And this stupid **** is running for Congress (in the tweet, not Dax)

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

And you don’t see the inherent issue that a 1 term president could, in effect, tilt the court hugely to the right or left with 3 or 4 appointments and it be stuck there for 30-40 years despite 70% of the population being of another persuasion on (what are weirdly American only) critical matters such as Roe v Wade.

I mean, how else would you do it though? We've got to rely on jurists to be jurists, not political shills, and the entire history of the court shows you what happens when there's an attempt made to pack -- the centrists lean the other way. When Roosevelt tried to expand the court it was actually Democrats who stopped him!

In this case, recognize Republicans are giving up the entirety of their credibility after having stonewalled Garland and turned around and rushed through Barrett. They've already thrown away their souls by sucking Trump's schlong. It's an incredibly unfortunate situation, but if Trump goes and the House and Senate go blue I don't know what Republicans are going to do to regain the trust of independents and moderates. And if they don't have that, they'll be a minority party for a long, long time, and have little if any say over the court (on a Federal level). I think we have to recognize what they've sacrificed long-term just to get to this point. They've lost some voters forever, more than some.

 

[cjn]

I mean, how else would you do it though? We've got to rely on jurists to be jurists, not political shills, and the entire history of the court shows you what happens when there's an attempt made to pack -- the centrists lean the other way. When Roosevelt tried to expand the court it was actually Democrats who stopped him!

In this case, recognize Republicans are giving up the entirety of their credibility after having stonewalled Garland and turned around and rushed through Barrett. They've already thrown away their souls by sucking Trump's schlong. It's an incredibly unfortunate situation, but if Trump goes and the House and Senate go blue I don't know what Republicans are going to do to regain the trust of independents and moderates. And if they don't have that, they'll be a minority party for a long, long time, and have little if any say over the court (on a Federal level). I think we have to recognize what they've sacrificed long-term just to get to this point. They've lost some voters forever, more than some.

I quite like Mayor Pete's proposal. It was something along the lines of having three justices nominated by Democrats, three by Republicans, and three mutually agreed upon by the other six. All with 18 year terms. I think that would solve the issue.

 

[SWP's back]

I mean, how else would you do it though?

You know you’re the only first world country that does it this way?

 

[SWP's back]

I quite like Mayor Pete's proposal. It was something along the lines of having three justices nominated by Democrats, three by Republicans, and three mutually agreed upon by the other six. All with 18 year terms. I think that would solve the issue.

Yeah that doesn’t sound quite as mental.