Yes, those that are tired and fed up. It's all I've been saying and yet there are quite a few that tell me otherwise on here.Yes we get it, not every black American supports Biden
'Everybody is voting', but somebody Black is asking questions...
What I’ve taken from Trump’s campaign is that if he gets in for a second term, he’ll go out of his way to ensure he gets a third term by whatever means necessary.Yep, that’s what the old white (?) racist misogynist said!
And, Biden HAS spoken out against ALL violence, but Trump uses the terms Antifa and radical left to help cream the shorts of his base, who don’t care about his inability to answer basic questions like “What will a second Trump term look like? What are your plans and working agenda?”
I double dog dare ANYONE to find me Trump saying what his plans are for a second term!
UFB that this is even a contest and that Biden Harris will spend $500M between now and Election Day on TV ads to try to seal the deal!
I admire your passion on this topic, I really do. It's great that you're concerned with how the US political system has consistantly failed people of colour for years now.
What I do find a little odd, however, are your constant posting of Youtube videos and your recent reference to your 'US compatriots' as if that's somehow undeniable evidence of widespread apathy for the Democratic party from Black Americans.
My wife is Black American. She's voting for Biden. All her family are voting for Biden. All their friends are voting for Biden. Every single Black American I know (and I'm fairly certain it's significantly more than you) is voting for Biden.
Are they all completely enamoured with the choice? Of course not. But they're also smart enough to recognise the alternative. They're living in this system every day, and are well aware of the realities of the choices they make.
As well-intentioned as you seem to be, you're approaching this topic like you're a 6th-former during their first term of Politcal Studies who heard the word 'neolib' once on a The Young Turks video. You're not offering any startling insight into US politics and racial issues. Most of the stuff you post to try and cement your arguments is echo chamber nonsense and a million miles away from how the vast majority of Black Americans really feel.
As I said earlier, has there ever been a more divisive American President?It never was! It is the Presidents obsession with not helping those who he thinks are going to vote against him...the Blue States, where all the people live, and which need the most help due to the shutdown of services, and thus tax revenues they need to survive!
In short, it’s Trump saying “I’m only the President of the Red States, because some people in the Blue States say bad things about Trump!” Meanwhile, the largest population centers get starved of the assistance they need in job support, rent forgiveness, state services, etc, etc.
FWIW, the Senate was ALWAYS opposed to the deal! Why is Mnuchin negotiating with Pelosi, not McConnell? Isn’t it CONGRESS who appropriates money? If McConnell and Pelosi agreed on $1 and the Senate voted 60-40, then $1 it is...fuck Trump AND Mnuchin!
But, in McConnell, Trump & Mnuchin have a backstop who doesn’t want to negotiate because he doesn’t want his prints on this lest it look bad for his re-election, so they’re doing his dirty work. Then, he pops his head out of his shell and says “Too much! Senate can’t stomach!” but Trump gets his own way eventually!
BUT, if they drag this through the election, Trump becomes a lame duck, and the Senate turns Blue, what then??? Do we have to wait until January 2021, OR WILL CONGRESS WORK FOR THE PEOPLE?
And, the whiny vlogger simply doesn’t seem to get the dynamics or the numbers!
$2,000 per month for everyone? For how long? Does he have any clue what that means?
It’s a start.Anyway, I note that #45 has denounced White supremacy 3 times in his town hall and that's hardly resonated on here.
Not that I give a fuck about the guy and it's too little too late, but as even handed as opinion supposed to be, I'm not surprised it's not been mentioned.
No, yes and yes.As I said earlier, has there ever been a more divisive American President?
He goes out of his way to split the country and communities.
You’re either for him, or his enemy, not a citizen of a country he is supposedly presiding over.
Groundhog Day.Trump has already been president 4 years. I don't think he's done much for black people. Biden has never been president before. Now why anyone would think that Trump is a new hope for the black community and Biden is the same ol' oppression story is beyond me. Of course Biden isn't a great candidate, no one is claiming that, but he's certainly a change from Trump.
It's nice of you to report the opinion and reasoning of others, black americans I think in this case, but who would you vote for and why?
And there's the problem mate. How is thinking about it as seperate from this current election/President going to help them now?Have you asked your wife and friends if, separate from this particular election with this particular president, they feel like the Democrats have moved their position up as people in 60 years? Have you asked if she understands Cube and co's position? Have you asked her about her view on say P Diddy wanting to start a separate party for Black people and why he feels that's needed?
Genuinely, ask.
I'm happy to wait on a response.
Indeed there is. The curse of the social media age I'm afraid. Hence why I don't try to pay too much attention to people who yell loudly on their chosen platform in a vain attemtpt to keep up a pretence of knowledge.Oh @Roy Munson, and can I ask, since I never said my viewpoint was designed to reflect all Black Americans, do you think there's an echo chamber in any of the American threads on here? Cos I do.
Roy, I understand that. Cube's position has happened over the last couple of months. I've been listening to different Black voices in media and conversing with the listeners who are at the bottom of the ladder. So he's a relatively new addition, but someone with a fairly big platform to take that conversation to a wider audience.And there's the problem mate. How is thinking about it as seperate from this current election/President going to help them now?
Of course they understand the clamour for better representation. And of course they want it. But, and let's be depressingly honest here, it's not going to happen anytime soon and when it does, I'm willing to bet that it will grow slowly from a progressive movement within the Democratic party.
As it stands, Cube and P Diddy can say whatever they want from their millionaire mansions about being let down by the Democrats. That's not going to help working class black people if Trump wins the upcoming election one fucking bit.
I admire this post and the direction you’d like the conversation to go, but he has taken every opportunity over several months to insultI admire your passion on this topic, I really do. It's great that you're concerned with how the US political system has consistantly failed people of colour for years now.
What I do find a little odd, however, are your constant posting of Youtube videos and your recent reference to your 'US compatriots' as if that's somehow undeniable evidence of widespread apathy for the Democratic party from Black Americans.
My wife is Black American. She's voting for Biden. All her family are voting for Biden. All their friends are voting for Biden. Every single Black American I know (and I'm fairly certain it's significantly more than you) is voting for Biden.
Are they all completely enamoured with the choice? Of course not. But they're also smart enough to recognise the alternative. They're living in this system every day, and are well aware of the realities of the choices they make.
As well-intentioned as you seem to be, you're approaching this topic like you're a 6th-former during their first term of Politcal Studies who heard the word 'neolib' once on a The Young Turks video. You're not offering any startling insight into US politics and racial issues. Most of the stuff you post to try and cement your arguments is echo chamber nonsense and a million miles away from how the vast majority of Black Americans really feel.
There ye go.And there's the problem mate. How is thinking about it as seperate from this current election/President going to help them now?
Of course they understand the clamour for better representation. And of course they want it. But, and let's be depressingly honest here, it's not going to happen anytime soon and when it does, I'm willing to bet that it will grow slowly from a progressive movement within the Democratic party.
As it stands, Cube and P Diddy can say whatever they want from their millionaire mansions about being let down by the Democrats. That's not going to help working class black people if Trump wins the upcoming election one fucking bit.
I don't disagree with a lot of that, and I can understand where a lot of the apathy comes from. I've not voted in every UK election and those instances have stemmed from a lack of faith in what any of the parties are really providing.Roy, I understand that. Cube's position has happened over the last couple of months. I've been listening to different Black voices in media and conversing with the listeners who are at the bottom of the ladder, so he's a relatively new addition, but someone wit ha fairly big platform to take that conversation to a wider audience.
And, yes, this election actually conflates two different issues; a guy that that is trying to appeal to anyone to cling to a position where he won't go to jail and a party that has continued to break promises since being lended a vote for over 60 years from Black people.
Black leaders have been killed off, died or ruined in scandals and now there's a whole Black generation leaderless and the Dems are only courting the Black vote cos they're the King makers, really, as that demographic grows.
Actually, returning to the well off being in mansions point, the same could be said of those that lecture the poor for not voting, when nothing changes for them.
I'm not sure of your wealth class and I have nothing against it, but I keep asking why there are 91M people that are disaffected enough not to vote for either party (I'm the same here. I'll vote locally, not nationally).
Nobody has an answer, never mind a definitive one.
Bud, I've just said that Cube is a late addition to the discussion. HIS viewpoint is the Black platform. I can see that position. My own personal position is both Black and working class, so I can see and understand a wider margin of those fed up and that don't vote. I get it.There ye go.
From my white Irish perspective, which probably adds nothing to the black struggle debate, here’s the way I see it. P Diddy or Ice Cube are every bit as much a part of maintaining the status quo as Biden and the Democratic Party’s inabilities or unwillingness to change anything in the last 50 years.
The Republicans certainly aren’t the answer but the greatest victory of the system and anyone who wants to keep it in place is the segregation of the real issues. The reinforcement of idea that the black poor struggle is any different to the plight of the poorest white communities is what keeps things ticking over.
Let’s call them white thrash. A despicable term, but it’s used.
What Trump and his cronies and predecessors have consistently done is tell them that their plight is different to that if the black communities, and therefore ensuring segregation of cause.
Ice Cube or whoever looking to set up a black party is idealistic but missing the point. It also ensures segregation of cause.
You are not going to change a system with that inherent division of the working class.
Bigga. You are not necessarily wrong in your beliefs or what you are saying but your pissing against the wind.
Division is not the future. You need as much cross community purpose as you can get. You need to find a way to unite black, white, brown, yellow, red, whatever shade you care for and show them they have a common purpose. Individual ethnic minorities fighting on their own will get nowhere and the establishment you hate want nothing better than to keep you seeing things separately.
And that's fair enough, thanks for posting.I don't disagree with a lot of that, and I can understand where a lot of the apathy comes from. I've not voted in every UK election and those instances have stemmed from a lack of faith in what any of the parties are really providing.
You asked earlier what have the Democrats done to improve the lives of my wife and her family/friends. (Although her home state of NJ has seen significant positive changes since the election of a Democratic Governor). Perhaps the answer is indeed not a great deal. However, they are all 100% certain that their lives will be much worse if Trump gets and 2nd term.
It's obviously not ideal, and we have to all hope that there will be enough progressive influence in the coming years to promote real change. But for my wife, our son, her family, our friends, the alternative, in this election, simply doesn't bear thinking about.
Nah. I’m not even sure he wants a second term! Things are getting messy, and Republicans (or the country) CANNOT afford four more years like this!What I’ve taken from Trump’s campaign is that if he gets in for a second term, he’ll go out of his way to ensure he gets a third term by whatever means necessary.
And whatever else after that.