2020 US Elections

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I just caught up on the thread and have realised that, although I just came back to the forum after a long absence for health reasons, it would likely be a good idea that I limit my time here, at least for the remainder of this week. I am sure that will help reduce the blood pressure of a few others, as well.

There are many stressors in all of our lives right now and, although things are relatively calm in the thread now, the dynamic the current debate seems destined to assume will be an unwelcome (even if relatively minor) addition to them, especially for those of us that have so much directly and indirectly invested in the outcome of this election.

I hope I am wrong, of course, and everyone can remain respectful and restrained; it’s just past experience indicates otherwise. Only football related threads while the election madness plays out is the best course for me personally.

I will say, though, it is quite interesting to see people that do not live in the US, and have not actually experienced living in the US since Trump was elected, fervently arguing that nothing really has changed under Trump, that the lives of everyone living in the US are generally the same now as they were prior to him being elected, that no real existential threats to the US democratic republic have arisen under him (or will intensify if he is given a second term), and that he is functionally the same as the presidents that preceded him.

It’s a very bold argument to make from a disconnected and uninvested position.

Ironically, a similar (though much more invested) argument from the same origin contributed in part to the creation of the nation, government, culture, and elections of which we are debating.

I think Eugene O’Neill and Buddha were on to something, you know.

At any rate, I want to wish my American neighbours who will be voting or assisting with voting today good luck and safe travels. I sincerely hope America clearly signals it has chosen decency, sanity, inclusivity, and representative democracy today. And that what is left of your institutions is sufficient to thwart the Trump regime’s (and their various external backers’) extensive election subversion efforts.

I wish I could cast a ballot and participate directly myself but I will have to make do with living vicariously through you. I can actually see one of my city’s polling places from my home and there was already a long line at 5:30 this morning, and it remains steady now, which is a good sign for this district (with absentee voting indicators already being positive).

To all in this thread: be well, stay calm, and pass to Silva.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I just caught up on the thread and have realised that, although I just came back to the forum after a long absence for health reasons, it would likely be a good idea that I limit my time here, at least for the remainder of this week. I am sure that will help reduce the blood pressure of a few others, as well.

There are many stressors in all of our lives right now and, although things are relatively calm in the thread now, the dynamic the current debate seems destined to assume will be an unwelcome (even if relatively minor) addition to them, especially for those of us that have so much directly and indirectly invested in the outcome of this election.

I hope I am wrong, of course, and everyone can remain respectful and restrained; it’s just past experience indicates otherwise. Only football related threads while the election madness plays out is the best course me personally.

I will say, though, it is quite interesting to see people that do not live in the US, and have not actually experienced living in the US since Trump was elected, fervently arguing that nothing really has changed under Trump, that the lives of everyone living in the US are generally the same now as they were prior to him being elected, that no real existential threats to the US democratic republic have arisen under him (or will intensify if he is given a second term), and that he is functionally the same as the presidents that proceeded him.

It’s a very bold argument to make from a disconnected and uninvested position.

Ironically, a similar (though much more invested) argument from the same origin contributed in part to the creation of the nation, government, culture, and elections of which we are debating.

I think Eugene O’Neill and Buddha were on to something, you know.

At any rate, I want to wish my American neighbours who will be voting or assisting with voting today good luck and safe travels. I sincerely hope America clearly signals it has chosen decency, sanity, inclusivity, and representative democracy today. And that what is left of your institutions is sufficient to thwart the Trump regime’s (and their various external backers’) extensive election subversion efforts.

I wish I could cast a ballot and participate directly myself but I will have to make due with living vicariously through you. I can actually see one of my city’s polling places from my home and there was already a long line at 5:30 this morning, and it remains steady now, which is a good sign for this district (with absentee voting indicators already being positive).

To all in this thread: be well, stay calm, and pass to Silva.
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Stay safe, Seb.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I think you split the vote in their present system.
You need PR and multi seated constituencies. I’ll leave it to our American posters to explain whether that is possible at state or federal level over there.
I don’t know enough about it in the States. But what you are suggesting would have to leave the possibility of a coalition government at federal level. As I say, I don’t know enough about the American system, but you barely have that possibility in the UK at the moment, which is a lot closer to home.

Here in Ireland with PR and multi seated constituencies there is a wider spread of the vote and coalitions became the norm decades ago.
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That's the point.

A party as I've suggested would hold any party to actual policy rather than promise. Too many times people lend a vote only for them to be ignored later on. Hold them to the 100 days action, devastate them in the midterms if they lie.

Either way, people get to shape the future, not companies via politicians they pay for.
 
domalino said:
And in a few years we definitely won't be feeling the effects of him nominating 2 completely unqualified right wing partisan hacks to the supreme court.

ACB and Kavanaugh are going to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and do untold damage for the next 30 years, but @Damocles won't remember anything of Trump's presidency, so that's OK.

He destroyed the EPA, took the USA out of the Paris Climate Accord, ripped up Clinton era protections for the National forests allowing them to be built on, but don't worry, no one will feel the effects of Climate change in a few decades.
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Not even worth rising to him. He’s not a mod mow so you can put him on ignore. He’s a shell of his former self. Sad.
 
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SebastianBlue said:
I just caught up on the thread and have realised that, although I just came back to the forum after a long absence for health reasons, it would likely be a good idea that I limit my time here, at least for the remainder of this week. I am sure that will help reduce the blood pressure of a few others, as well.

There are many stressors in all of our lives right now and, although things are relatively calm in the thread now, the dynamic the current debate seems destined to assume will be an unwelcome (even if relatively minor) addition to them, especially for those of us that have so much directly and indirectly invested in the outcome of this election.

I hope I am wrong, of course, and everyone can remain respectful and restrained; it’s just past experience indicates otherwise. Only football related threads while the election madness plays out is the best course for me personally.

I will say, though, it is quite interesting to see people that do not live in the US, and have not actually experienced living in the US since Trump was elected, fervently arguing that nothing really has changed under Trump, that the lives of everyone living in the US are generally the same now as they were prior to him being elected, that no real existential threats to the US democratic republic have arisen under him (or will intensify if he is given a second term), and that he is functionally the same as the presidents that preceded him.

It’s a very bold argument to make from a disconnected and uninvested position.

Ironically, a similar (though much more invested) argument from the same origin contributed in part to the creation of the nation, government, culture, and elections of which we are debating.

I think Eugene O’Neill and Buddha were on to something, you know.

At any rate, I want to wish my American neighbours who will be voting or assisting with voting today good luck and safe travels. I sincerely hope America clearly signals it has chosen decency, sanity, inclusivity, and representative democracy today. And that what is left of your institutions is sufficient to thwart the Trump regime’s (and their various external backers’) extensive election subversion efforts.

I wish I could cast a ballot and participate directly myself but I will have to make due with living vicariously through you. I can actually see one of my city’s polling places from my home and there was already a long line at 5:30 this morning, and it remains steady now, which is a good sign for this district (with absentee voting indicators already being positive).

To all in this thread: be well, stay calm, and pass to Silva.
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Take care lovely xx
 
Got the nibbles in , planning to watch CNN all night , wont have an answer till tomorrow i know despite trump claiming it ten times, more exciting than the football

To all our american posters, who have been great in these threads , very informative and i have always been very interested to read your posts, stay safe , vote and get out quickly and home , i hope you get the result you want
 
domalino said:
See this is part of the lie.

Going back to the Nixon administration, 17 of the 21 supreme court justices were voted in with massive supermajorities. Many of them had 90%+ votes in favour. They were voted for by both parties.

That's because normal practice is to appoint reasonable, well qualified, universally respected judges.


What Trump and Mitch McConnel have done, removing the supermajority requirement and forcing through 3 Supreme Court nominees that were so hyper conservative that not even all the republicans could back is not normal.

It's the ultimate both-sides fallacy. Merrick Garland was not a democratic version of Gorsuch or Kavanaugh. He was a moderate, because that's what you did.

The two parties are not the same.
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Well said. Glad you were holding the fort today.
 
Just remember everyone, if the result doesn’t go your way; the Xbox Series S|X and the PS5 come out next week (well, a little later for the PS5, but still).
 
@BluePhil8 said:
Just remember everyone, if the result doesn’t go your way; the Xbox Series S|X and the PS5 come out next week (well, a little later for the PS5, but still).
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What do you see in Trump that makes you think he's a worthy President, mate?
 
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