2020 US Elections

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smudgedj said:
I can’t believe that he’s going to the courts to overturn a democratic vote. That would never happen in the UK.
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He is going to the courts in order to help build the myth that he was cheated in some way. Thats all. He has to hang his hat on something for the rest of his life, because he isnt adult enough to be able to that he lost once. He needs to perpetuate this myth in order to stay relevant, and court and a new campaign of moaning is the way he will start it
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
He is going to the courts in order to help build the myth that he was cheated in some way. Thats all. He has to hang his hat on something for the rest of his life, because he isnt adult enough to be able to that he lost once. He needs to perpetuate this myth in order to stay relevant, and court and a new campaign of moaning is the way he will start it
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Of course. This. How can people not see this?
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
I dont understand what your point is thats all? What is it that you mean?
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I mean it's brilliant in terms of turnout and engagement - Biden has polled the most votes ever, and the loser (Trump) still got more than even Obama did. Even Kanye got 60k! What I see as a problem for the US is that the flip side of this spectacular level of engagement is that whichever way it went the debate has been so polarised that 70m-ish folk are pissed off. The size of the Trump vote suggests it's not just the Neo-Nazi's and Deliverance types that thought he was a good idea either - there are not that many of them (hopefully). I'm not especially worried about violence - I'm sure there will be a minority of idiots who will do bad things as that is part of the human condition. My concern is that the division in the US is more powerful than even Brexit was here and will take a lot of healing.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I find it interesting that the whole thing is becoming framed in a sort of 'star wars' morality - right from wrong etc and actually quite a few star wars analogies being drawn on the last few pages. The worrying for the US is that both sides of this debate see each other as 'the dark side' and themselves as the Jedi. I can't help but wonder if this is in fact 140m people being wound up and played into taking part in a huge version of cheggers plays pop rather than a celebratory democratic exercise.
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You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that on a morality perspective - Trump falls at the first hurdle.
 
jma said:
Not sure what you are on about in the first paragraph.

But the second paragraph is an often repeated fallacy.

Take the politics out if it.

This man was truly corrosive for American society. There was a whole generation of kids growing up seeing that you can be rewarded and get to the highest office in the land whilst being a compulsive liar and self obsessed scumbag.

The erosion of confidence in a free press was something that accelerated massively under this clown. Never before have we seen an American president who would just claim something was fake unless it pumped up his ego.

His whole character is repulsive and the normalisation of that in power sets humanity on an awful path.

As America is the most newsworthy country in the world, these effects are not just restricted to their country. They affect opinions, kids and standards of honesty and civility here too.

And that before you even get into the political and societal consequences of his political decisions.

I struggle to see how people cannot realise this.
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I genuinely struggle to see that after nearly ten minutes this post has not been liked multiple times.

It is the normalisation and getting away with horrible behaviour that creeps up on us.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I find it interesting that the whole thing is becoming framed in a sort of 'star wars' morality - right from wrong etc and actually quite a few star wars analogies being drawn on the last few pages. The worrying for the US is that both sides of this debate see each other as 'the dark side' and themselves as the Jedi. I can't help but wonder if this is in fact 140m people being wound up and played into taking part in a huge version of cheggers plays pop rather than a celebratory democratic exercise.
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Totally agree with how each side sees the other, and tbh I dont think anything will change unless Biden at least tries to talk to the Trump supporters.

But with regards to dark/light side there is one side that seem bereft of morals, Mcain treatment, grabbing pussy, piss take of disabled, etc.... You just dont see the equivalence from the other side, nowhere near... Its biggly obvious which side are the dark side
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I find it interesting that the whole thing is becoming framed in a sort of 'star wars' morality - right from wrong etc and actually quite a few star wars analogies being drawn on the last few pages. The worrying for the US is that both sides of this debate see each other as 'the dark side' and themselves as the Jedi. I can't help but wonder if this is in fact 140m people being wound up and played into taking part in a huge version of cheggers plays pop rather than a celebratory democratic exercise.
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You deserve to have to watch every single Donald Trump public appearance tied to a chair with your eyes held open like A Clockwork Orange. Failing that, maybe live and raise kids here, maybe try to teach them right from wrong while the President uses Twitter for four years the way he has.

Then you get back to us with that “right from wrong” horseshit.
 
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