2020 US Elections

[buckshot]

Coup, coup cachoo

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Coup, coup cachoo

No mate. Here’s the translation since you don’t speak Fallforconese (which says good things about you): “Give me more money.”

 

[Rascal]

It's like the Monty Python Cheese Shop sketch.

"Have you got an evidence of voter fraud in Pennsylvania?" "Er no"
"Michigan?" "No"
"Wisconsin" "Yes. But the dog ate it"
Arizona?" ""Not yet. Expecting some next Wednesday"
"Georgia?" "Yes!" "Really?" "No not really"
"Have you any evidence of voter fraud at all?" "Errrr...No"

None then? "but you are asking about it"
Huh! "that is the point, whether there is or not is not the point, it is the creation of conditions that is the point"
"so there is no fraud?" "who cares, that the idea has been planted is enough"
"I don't understand" "the undermining of democracy is the plan"
"So there is fraud?" "Of course not but the smokescreen is working and you are talking about fraud"
"I'm confused" "Exactly, keep looking over there and you will not notice what is happening over here"
"

 

[SWP's back]

There doesn't have to be, the fact it is permeating through the western world means it is a challenge to all liberal democracies. This is now bigger than Trump and RW populist parties across the western world will use the focus on fraud as a means to delegitimise whole swathes of the electorate. Already on social media today i have noticed a UK resurgence against postal voting, along with the usual race baiting tactics of blaming certain elements of society as being the perpetrators of fraud. There is no need for evidence because it has already been implanted in people's minds that fraud exists on a massive scale and its always the Left that is the guilty party. The Left of course, or the Hard Left rather the soft left are anti capitalist by design and want control or a command economy where the free market is limited or curtailed. The left therefore has to be discredited for this whole con trick to work, and Trump has been at it as well as the RW media in this country aided and abetted by the plethora of RW think tanks across the western world.

Yanis Varoufakis warned that Capitalism will eat Democracy, here is a link to his TED talk



Singapore and China have proven that it is eminently possible to have flourishing capitalist systems without the onerous duty of holding elections and challenging those in power. This appeals to Capitalists as they will not have to worry about losing power, they can be in power for perpetuity.

This is no longer a battle for who is President of the USA, it is a battle for democracy and the capitalist class have unleashed their carefully nurtured useful idiots like the Proud Boys into action to challenge the very notion that democracy actually exists.

Its all very well lampooning Trump as some sort of lunatic, but i think he knows exactly what he is doing and he will have the weight of the American capitalist class behind him, the western capitalist class have their own brand of useful idiots such as Tiny Tommy Ten Names and his ilk.

I warned on here a couple of years ago, not that anybody took much notice that the UK is also coming under sustained attack from these populists, they managed to get their own useful idiot Johnson in to power and the groundwork being laid by Trump will become mainstream in the UK. The far have been emboldened more than at any point since the 1930s only in the UK it comes in the guise of libertarians and classical liberals and manifests itself in hardline anti-EU, anti immigration stances and the rise of conspiracy theories from the Kalergi plan to this great reset stuff.

We live in dangerous times, Covid has given the Capitalist class a chance to alter the natural order to suit them and as one of there idols Milton Friedman said, never let a good crisis go to waste.

Sorry but I can’t take you too seriously here when 9 days ago you were saying Trump and Biden may as well be the same choice.

That you failed to see that one was an authoritarian hell bent on subverting the democratic process is on you, you’re 5 years late to the party.

 

[SWP's back]

Not really. He's always been a c*nt. He was just better at PR in his earlier years.

He's been exposed for the greedy, manipulative creep he's always been.

I meant the Rudi that was razor sharp and took down the mob.

 

[Rascal]

Sorry but I can’t take you too seriously here when 9 days ago you were saying Trump and Biden may as well be the same choice.

That you failed to see that one was an authoritarian hell bent on subverting the democratic process is on you, you’re 5 years late to the party.

And you think Biden will be that much different, he will be surrounded by neo cons and the hawkish elements and still be on the side of capitalism. That you fail to see that is on you. That is what i was indicating in that post, Biden is Trump with added hawkishness, Trump is Biden with less democratic intent. They are two cheeks of the same capitalist arse. The only winners with each are capitalists.

I was warning about subversion of democracy years ago, because it exists and it is bent to the will of those with wealth. If you cant see that pal, you really are fucking stupid, i know you are not though, so open your eyes and see it for what it is. Yes Trump is a meglomaniac, but Biden is not that much of an improvement.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

None then? "but you are asking about it"
Huh! "that is the point, whether there is or not is not the point, it is the creation of conditions that is the point"
"so there is no fraud?" "who cares, that the idea has been planted is enough"
"I don't understand" "the undermining of democracy is the plan"
"So there is fraud?" "Of course not but the smokescreen is working and you are talking about fraud"
"I'm confused" "Exactly, keep looking over there and you will not notice what is happening over here"
"

TD:LR Emptyhad....say it for long enough and idiots believe.

 

[Vic]

And you think Biden will be that much different, he will be surrounded by neo cons and the hawkish elements and still be on the side of capitalism. That you fail to see that is on you. That is what i was indicating in that post, Biden is Trump with added hawkishness, Trump is Biden with less democratic intent. They are two cheeks of the same capitalist arse. The only winners with each are capitalists.

I was warning about subversion of democracy years ago, because it exists and it is bent to the will of those with wealth. If you cant see that pal, you really are fucking stupid, i know you are not though, so open your eyes and see it for what it is. Yes Trump is a meglomaniac, but Biden is not that much of an improvement.

And between them they got 145m votes. Give American voters an overt socialist choice and you'd have a capitalist president, Trump.

I like Varoufakis, I like your argument, and government control of the commanding heights of the economy may be a prerequisite to socialism, but you can't easily say capitalism will eat democracy while people still vote for capitalism.

 

[mexico1970]

I meant the Rudi that was razor sharp and took down the mob.

Watched the mini series on the mob and he was fearless in the face of all that corruption, that'll be the fellas legacy I agree.

 

[SWP's back]

And you think Biden will be that much different, he will be surrounded by neo cons and the hawkish elements and still be on the side of capitalism. That you fail to see that is on you. That is what i was indicating in that post, Biden is Trump with added hawkishness, Trump is Biden with less democratic intent. They are two cheeks of the same capitalist arse. The only winners with each are capitalists.

I was warning about subversion of democracy years ago, because it exists and it is bent to the will of those with wealth. If you cant see that pal, you really are fucking stupid, i know you are not though, so open your eyes and see it for what it is. Yes Trump is a meglomaniac, but Biden is not that much of an improvement.

Yes I think Biden will not attempt to subvert democracy and you are doing exactly what you warned others against.

Because Trump is muddying the water in a way never previously known in a first world democracy, you’re falling for it hook, line and sinker AND adding in “capitalism” and “neo-lib” because you’d rather we had no democracy and Marxist rule.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Watched the mini series on the mob and he was fearless in the face of all that corruption, that'll be the fellas legacy I agree.

Money does strange things to people.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

And you think Biden will be that much different, he will be surrounded by neo cons and the hawkish elements and still be on the side of capitalism. That you fail to see that is on you. That is what i was indicating in that post, Biden is Trump with added hawkishness, Trump is Biden with less democratic intent. They are two cheeks of the same capitalist arse. The only winners with each are capitalists.

I was warning about subversion of democracy years ago, because it exists and it is bent to the will of those with wealth. If you cant see that pal, you really are fucking stupid, i know you are not though, so open your eyes and see it for what it is. Yes Trump is a meglomaniac, but Biden is not that much of an improvement.

I take it you are referring to his politics, because as a human being it is night and day.

What you have to remember is that Trump was a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2009, but he couldn't play the system to his advantage and switched back to the Republican party.

EVERYTHING is transactional with Trump. He genuinely does not give a single f*ck about politics or voters as long as he can profit from the situation in some way. That is not the case with Biden, and that is a HUGE improvement over Trump.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I take it you are referring to his politics, because as a human being it is night and day.

What you have to remember is that Trump was a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2009, but he couldn't play the system to his advantage and switched back to the Republican party.

EVERYTHING is transactional with Trump. He genuinely does not give a single f*ck about politics or voters as long as he can profit from the situation in some way. That is not the case with Biden, and that is a HUGE improvement over Trump.

It’s not about politics for me. Trump is irredeemably malign to his very core. I’m struggling to think of a worse example of a human being currently in a position of political power. If he was running a country like North Korea the atrocities there would be even worse imo. Without a shadow of doubt in my mind. He is almost certainly clinically insane and definitely suffers from numerous personality disorders. He has all the qualities I (and many others) most dislike in others. A graceless, utterly selfish, humourless, lying, egocentric, deluded, boorish, bullying, dishonest, paranoid, spineless, unkind, empathy-free, predatory, cruel, classless, rude, horrible **** of a human being.

Having someone like that in charge of a country like the US is not a good thing and his removal from office, to be replaced by someone who appears to me to be far more benign, has to be a good thing, irrespective of politics.

 

[BlueHammer85]

And you think Biden will be that much different, he will be surrounded by neo cons and the hawkish elements and still be on the side of capitalism. That you fail to see that is on you. That is what i was indicating in that post, Biden is Trump with added hawkishness, Trump is Biden with less democratic intent. They are two cheeks of the same capitalist arse. The only winners with each are capitalists.

I was warning about subversion of democracy years ago, because it exists and it is bent to the will of those with wealth. If you cant see that pal, you really are fucking stupid, i know you are not though, so open your eyes and see it for what it is. Yes Trump is a meglomaniac, but Biden is not that much of an improvement.

well for a start Trump pulled the US out the Paris Climate Change agreement and Biden will put the US back in.
This will the first in many steps from Biden compared to Trump

how is that not much of an improvement ?

 

[Rascal]

Yes I think Biden will not attempt to subvert democracy and you are doing exactly what you warned others against.

Because Trump is muddying the water in a way never previously known in a first world democracy, you’re falling for it hook, line and sinker AND adding in “capitalism” and “neo-lib” because you’d rather we had no democracy and Marxist rule.

Has the sun gone to your head.

You didn't answer my first post because it was too much for you too to comprehend and then you do exactly what Trump himself does in go straight to the Marxist attack line.

Honestly pal, you are brighter than this.

 

[Rascal]

And between them they got 145m votes. Give American voters an overt socialist choice and you'd have a capitalist president, Trump.

I like Varoufakis, I like your argument, and government control of the commanding heights of the economy may be a prerequisite to socialism, but you can't easily say capitalism will eat democracy while people still vote for capitalism.

Americans don't get a choice of a left wing government, they have a right wing and a further right wing. Which adds to my point, they are both cheeks of the same backside.

 

[Rascal]

I take it you are referring to his politics, because as a human being it is night and day.

What you have to remember is that Trump was a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2009, but he couldn't play the system to his advantage and switched back to the Republican party.

EVERYTHING is transactional with Trump. He genuinely does not give a single f*ck about politics or voters as long as he can profit from the situation in some way. That is not the case with Biden, and that is a HUGE improvement over Trump.

Of course i am referring to politics, was it not obvious?

They are different human beings and i think Trump is a **** of a person, Biden seems OK but there politics don't really differ that much and in Biden's case he is far more hawkish than Trump. Trump for all his faults has not though carried on with American imperialism, his NATO scepticism alludes to that point. Biden is far more likely to be in the pocket of the neo-cons and he will i am certain bow to his capitalist donors desires.

Trump is dangerous which if you read my long post you might agree with. You may see my reasoning behind the idea of using voting fraud as smokescreen.

 

[west didsblue]

It’s not about politics for me. Trump is irredeemably malign to his very core. I’m struggling to think of a worse example of a human being currently in a position of political power. If he was running a country like North Korea the atrocities there would be even worse imo. Without a shadow of doubt in my mind. He is almost certainly clinically insane and definitely suffers from numerous personality disorders. He has all the qualities I (and many others) most dislike in others. A graceless, utterly selfish, humourless, lying, egocentric, deluded, boorish, bullying, dishonest, paranoid, spineless, unkind, empathy-free, predatory, cruel, classless, rude, horrible **** of a human being.

Having someone like that in charge of a country like the US is not a good thing and his removal from office, to be replaced by someone who appears to me to be far more benign, has to be a good thing, irrespective of politics.

Anyone who doesn’t understand this and bangs on about left v right politics like it’s relevant at the moment hasn’t been paying attention for the last 4 years or the last 40 years for those aware of Trump before he became President.
He is utterly malign without any redeeming features and the only reason things aren’t even worse is his unbelievable stupidity.

 

[Saddleworth2]

And you think Biden will be that much different, he will be surrounded by neo cons and the hawkish elements and still be on the side of capitalism. That you fail to see that is on you. That is what i was indicating in that post, Biden is Trump with added hawkishness, Trump is Biden with less democratic intent. They are two cheeks of the same capitalist arse. The only winners with each are capitalists.

I was warning about subversion of democracy years ago, because it exists and it is bent to the will of those with wealth. If you cant see that pal, you really are fucking stupid, i know you are not though, so open your eyes and see it for what it is. Yes Trump is a meglomaniac, but Biden is not that much of an improvement.

Really? So you are saying Biden is as bad, mad, insane as Trump? I don't see that mate and I am far from being stupid.

 

[SWP's back]

Has the sun gone to your head.

You didn't answer my first post because it was too much for you too to comprehend and then you do exactly what Trump himself does in go straight to the Marxist attack line.

Honestly pal, you are brighter than this.

Oh the irony Russ.