2020 US Elections

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WNRH said:
Way to prove my point.
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No, you proved your own point. You posted a theory without evidence. Show me the evidence that the spear-point of Trump supporters are using to conclude that the election was fraudulent, rigged, stolen. Then we can discuss whether the problem is that the rest of us aren’t listening to this evidence. The problem is isn’t that we are “cancelling” them as people, it’s that they have evidence to support their beliefs that can be debunked — easily. Why should we listen?
 
jma said:
There's nothing either more or less worthy about the life of a veteran compared to the lives of anyone else.

This woman will have had a selection of the same human strengths and weaknesses as everyone else and the fact that she worked in a certain profession for a period of her life makes her passing no more or less tragic than that of anyone else in the same circumstances.

The only relevant comparison of stature that you can make on the limited information you have about her is that, purely by doing what she was doing, she was obviously more gullible, hate filled and dangerous than the average person (and the average veteran). None of which is deserving of what happened.
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Any veteran will know more than anyone else of the values that they've spent their lives defending. These values don't end because of an election you disagree with nor for any other reason related to politics.

That's why the US is a constitutional republic and not some dictatorship. It's therefore ironic that they chose to attack the Capitol, the building of elected people when they were doing the job of enacting the will of the people.

Clearly it's sad but it's just as sad that after her service she died believing she was defending her republic when actually she was defending a megalomaniac who couldn't give a toss about her and has even called people like her losers.
 
It was said on CNN lat night that the Capitol Hill police is 2000 strong with a budget of $500 million - heaven knows where they were and what they spend it on, if that's true.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
No, you proved your own point. You posted a theory without evidence. Show me the evidence that the spear-point of Trump supporters are using to conclude that the election was fraudulent, rigged, stolen. Then we can discuss whether the problem is that the rest of us aren’t listening to this evidence. The problem is isn’t that we are “cancelling” them as people, it’s that they have evidence to support their beliefs that can be debunked — easily. Why should we listen?
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There’s zero evidence of election fraud, absolutely zero.

And I don’t care enough about US politics usually to either call myself a Dem or Republican and I’m certainly not biased about US politics.

They haven’t even got a sniff, because if they did, Trump would have made sure the whole world saw it.
 
domalino said:
They literally opened the gate to let them into the building.
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i guess because they were so heavily outnumbered and it was awful police preparation (which others have said could be Trumps doing)

but there's videos of police fighting back and 4 protesters are dead, so i don't think its fair to say the police openly welcomed these rioters.
 
kaz7 said:
I remember you saying something !ike this would happen a long time ago . The whole security of the building or lack there off is very suspect . Letting them get up on the balconies , getting onto the floor , saw them just wandering about the place and of course the ones opening the barracades for them

Where were the national guard , they were there after george was murdered , trump was inciting the crowd up the road for ages . All very shady
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Washington DC isn't in a state and so many places are defended by federal agencies like the DC Police, US marshals etc but they are under federal control, I.E ultimately the president.... Make of that what you will.

In a state it's different and the state governor can call upon the national guard and do what he/she likes. If needed they can request federal support from agencies similar to the above which is then authorised by the president.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
i guess because they were so heavily outnumbered and it was awful police preparation (which others have said could be Trumps doing)

but there's videos of police fighting back and 4 protesters are dead, so i don't think its fair to say the police openly welcomed these rioters.
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3 died of heart attacks and the other was shot the secret service protecting members of congress from a barricaded room because the police let the building get occupied.
 
This cancel culture argument makes no sense. Hey, I did something incredible in 1974 before the internet! Look at me! Wait — you’re telling me the newspapers didn’t cover it? I’m not on television? No magazine story? Why there can only be one explanation — I’ve been cancelled by mainstream media!

No one says that — you just didn’t make the grade. Your story wasn’t interesting enough in the minds of the editors determining what would sell to the consumer.

Now fast forward to today. Social media doesn’t have (much in the way of) professional editing — by design. Content filters are minimal. Reach is instantaneous, massive and free. Cancel culture is an attempt to self-edit inbound media. We have 6 bb consumers of media, and 6 bb editors of it — and of course broadcasting THAT you are self-editing has the same instantaneous and massive reach. Cancel culture emerges because fringe elements and ideas previously edited out by mainstream media are not by social media. It follows that those in authoritative power (but not editors — organizations like universities) have more impact when they self-edit than you or me.

Cancel culture isn’t bad. It’s the natural evolutionary outgrowth of social media. Can’t have one without the other.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
i guess because they were so heavily outnumbered and it was awful police preparation (which others have said could be Trumps doing)

but there's videos of police fighting back and 4 protesters are dead, so i don't think its fair to say the police openly welcomed these rioters.
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One was shot the others had medical emergencies , dont be contrary on tnis thread , sounds like you didnt watch it
 
Another to add to the top of the stack.

Should really be using Schumer’s new title, though...

 
Did they say they want to identify every person that stepped foot on the property to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, also including anybody that incited them. If so trump is f#*%ed
 
DrBlueBob said:
They have been tipped of about a peaceful BLM walk by?
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I mean, amongst the carnage that is the worst thing I’ve seen in the West, regarding democracy, in my lifetime, these past 24 hrs, let’s not pretend that BLM prostesters weren’t burning down cars and buildings and people weren’t dying by their hand a few short months again.

It’s obviously not on the same level as a fascist coup but it wasn’t a picnic either.
 
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