2025 Grand National (5th April)

Poor bugger, being whipped and coerced into jumping. It's bloody wicked what these horses are forced to do against their will.
 
Blue and true said:
I disagree regards the whip; realistically, if the horses were happy to race several times a week they wouldn't need to be "encouraged". There's no way of knowing if it's causing the animal pain or distress.

And they are a commodity; whether you like the term or not, the horses are used to make people money. As the other poster said, if you truly loved an animal you wouldn't put it in a situation where it could be hurt unless you absolutely had to. I see it as a cruel pastime for gamblers; that connotation may seem unfair but that's my take. I won't deign to call it sport because it isn't.
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As I've mentioned, I have no problem with you having an opinion or putting forth a point of view, after all, this is a discussion forum.

What I do have an issue with is when you spout out total shite!!

Horses don't race several times a week, have never done so and never will. They may be a commodity, but they are a respected and expensive commodity.

As mentioned earlier, which you seem to have ignored because it doesn't line up with your narrative, many owners DON'T make money, but choose to do it for the love of the sport and horse.

Horse racing is a huge business and employs an awful lot of people, so yes, there is money to be made out of it.......and believe it or not, there are many other industries that make money out of animals, not just racing.
Betting is just a cog in a very large wheel and for the vast majority of owners, not their reason for entering racehorse ownership.



A horse person would know if a horse was feeling discomfort or distress, but there is a difference between discomfort and distress.
Is discomfort necessarily a bad thing?
For example, athletes push themselves to the limit, yet continue to compete, again and again. Is that detrimental to the athlete and is this any different for a horse? Please don't consult your playbook and come back with the, "People get a choice, horses don't", we're talking about physical limits and physical discomfort on the body, not coercion.

Like athletes, they are tired at the end of a race, but like human athletes, these equine athletes are keen to do it again. As evident at the start of the National for instance.



As for the whip and your misconception of it.

I feel you have conveniently ignored the previous information about what a present day race riding whip is like and how the design has been constantly modified from what you probably perceive as a riding whip.

There's no point in discussing this further with you if you're not prepared to educate yourself.

What I would say is that using a modern whip on a horse isn't a brutal tool as you imply. You are not putting the result of its use in perspective. Just for arguments sake, let's say there is an element of discomfort from its use.

I'd argue that the discomfort is minimal and not detrimental to a 1200lb horse. When playing football, I've often found knocks and soreness after a game and many times not realized when in the game the injury occurred.
During the game when the adrenaline is high, physical contact etc is often not noticed, yet if the same contact was made at any other time, it would bloody hurt. It's the same with the whip and a horse.
 
mexico1970 said:
Mine detecting Dogs :)

Nothing sanitised about not wanting to see animals hurt for sport mate.
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Here you go........you can learn something every day. :)


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City Raider said:
Whole thing is tragic. The jockey is gonna come under a lot of scrutiny.
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Good. Hope someone plants one on his temple. He rode the horse to death, knowing full well it was struggling to continue.

And the horrible little wanker got a ten day ban. Yes, ten days for killing a beautiful creature. He must have loved it very much.
 
Blue and true said:
Good. Hope someone plants one on his temple. He rode the horse to death, knowing full well it was struggling to continue.

And the horrible little wanker got a ten day ban. Yes, ten days for killing a beautiful creature. He must have loved it very much.
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It's fine because the owner loved his Horse and put him through that. Must be just a few people who can't be doing with sport that injures and kills animals.
 
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