25 | Gianluigi Donnarumma - 2025/26

mattcity5 said:
I don't think people are saying that. I also dont think he looks that panicked, and usually looks less panicked than Donnarumma.

He messed up one pass and people are writing him off because of it. Ederson also made mistakes, it happens.

We would definitely have better chance of retaining possession with him in goal though, whether that would be enough to play him is a different thing altogether. Mainly we need to find a way of playing out with Donnarumma - though it's a bit like having a bigger version of De Gea in goal.
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I dont think Donnarumma really ever seems panicked. Just that his actual long balls aren't particularly great.

I dont think Trafford should be written off, I've consistently maintained that I think he's still in development. But he plays like a keeper in development which we don't have the luxury of affording significant time to.

Take the goal out of that Spurs game and he still didn't play well. His decision making isn't great and he gets flustered by pressure. Granted, Ederson played like he was a failed drug test waiting to happen so that's a high bar to meet when discussing reacting to pressure.

I dont believe you have to have your keeper as involved as we did with Ederson. It was just a luxury that we had at the time.

The defence and the defensive midfield just need to be more proactive with positioning to combat any teams playing a high press. You arent going to replicate Ederson with either of these keepers so why try?
 
The most important thing for any goalkeeper is to stop opposition shots going in our net. In my opinion Donnarumma is better at that than any other keeper in the world.

Anything else with keepers is a distant bonus, just like the only important stat for a striker is number of goals scored. Assists, possession, everything else are way down the list to number of goals, just as they are for saves with keepers.

We’re very lucky to have the best no1 and best no9 in the world right now. If the other nine could catch them up that’d be great!
 
jamielowndes said:
I dont think Donnarumma really ever seems panicked. Just that his actual long balls aren't particularly great.

I dont think Trafford should be written off, I've consistently maintained that I think he's still in development. But he plays like a keeper in development which we don't have the luxury of affording significant time to.

Take the goal out of that Spurs game and he still didn't play well. His decision making isn't great and he gets flustered by pressure. Granted, Ederson played like he was a failed drug test waiting to happen so that's a high bar to meet when discussing reacting to pressure.

I dont believe you have to have your keeper as involved as we did with Ederson. It was just a luxury that we had at the time.

The defence and the defensive midfield just need to be more proactive with positioning to combat any teams playing a high press. You arent going to replicate Ederson with either of these keepers so why try?
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True, I think sometimes possibly the defenders need to take more responsibility to find the passing routes rather than going backwards.

Someone else mentioned Donnarumma not getting great distance on his kicks, and they're right. It's not a disaster, just something we have to work with, but he often doesn't seem to get a perfect contact when it's rolling across him.

I do think he'll help us in the big games though, he can be the difference when we're up against it. Another truth is that all these comments have come after he's let in four, and he won't do that often. He also had very little chance with any of them, it was a day of rare finishing levels from both sides.
 
blueparrot said:
Different opinions upsetting you?
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Upsetting? Not really. I just find it amusing that you present an opinion of someone's ability so contrary to what that person has accomplished and continues to accomplish yet somehow believe you hold some sort of majority position and superior knowledge when the reality is you have an agenda against the guy. Your insisting that we're worse off with Donnarumma in spite of our results with him in goal are not upsetting to me, but they are a bit disturbing considering that you never, ever post against anything the club does no matter how shit it may be. Odd that...
 
JewelZee said:
Upsetting? Not really. I just find it amusing that you present an opinion of someone's ability so contrary to what that person has accomplished and continues to accomplish yet somehow believe you hold some sort of majority position and superior knowledge when the reality is you have an agenda against the guy. Your insisting that we're worse off with Donnarumma in spite of our results with him in goal are not upsetting to me, but they are a bit disturbing considering that you never, ever post against anything the club does no matter how shit it may be. Odd that...
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Nothing odd, I have no problem with his keeping, It isn't far fetched to beleive his distribution is impacting on our game control,is a commonly held opinion, It's hardly a conttroversial view. The question is , does it impact too much.
 
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jamielowndes said:
I dont think Trafford should be written off, I've consistently maintained that I think he's still in development. But he plays like a keeper in development which we don't have the luxury of affording significant time to.
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This is a very salient point. Trafford looks like he will be a very good goalie but he's not there yet.
 
blueparrot said:
Nothing odd, I have no problem with his keeping, It isn't far fetched to beleive his distribution is impacting on our game control,is a coomonly held opinion, It's hardly a conttroversial view. The question is , does it impact too much.
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His distribution is only marginally worse than Traffords.
The fact hes better at everything else is a trade off im happy to accept.
 
Phil1 said:
His distribution is only marginally worse than Traffords.
The fact hes better at everything else is a trade off im happy to accept.
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Fair enough and at the moment Pep is happy with the trade off too,If Peps happy I'm happy. Though I do think it's more than marginal, I also think Trafford is better with aerial balls too, but that is marginal.Thing is I'm not saying Trafford answers all my doubts, but so far Donnarumma hasn't either but that's just me and what I see,Pep knows sees far more than me and I'm okay with that..
 
blueparrot said:
Nothing odd, I have no problem with his keeping, It isn't far fetched to beleive his distribution is impacting on our game control,is a commonly held opinion, It's hardly a conttroversial view. The question is , does it impact too much.
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I raised the issue of Rodri not being available, who I believe is the best in the world at providing the keeper with an outlet in one's own half, but no one questioning Donnarumma has acknowledged this as being a potential issue for any of our keepers. I happen to believe that despite Nico G's excellent performance Rodri's absence is the biggest factor in any issues we may be having in playing out of the back.
 
blueparrot said:
Fair enough and at the moment Pep is happy with the trade off too,If Peps happy I'm happy. Though I do think it's more than marginal, I also think Trafford is better with aerial balls too, but that is marginal.Thing is I'm not saying Trafford answers all my doubts, but so far Donnarumma hasn't either but that's just me and what I see,Pep knows sees far more than me and I'm okay with that..
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I think his presense is a big plus factor. His reputation alone gives him that edge and opposition players will be well aware hes one of the best in the business.
I wish Trafford all the best and hope he stays but understand if he left.
Football at the very top is a ruthless business.
 
JewelZee said:
I raised the issue of Rodri not being available, who I believe is the best in the world at providing the keeper with an outlet in one's own half, but no one questioning Donnarumma has acknowledged this as being a potential issue for any of our keepers. I happen to believe that despite Nico G's excellent performance Rodri's absence is the biggest factor in any issues we may be having in playing out of the back.
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It isn't that, to play out from the back a keeper has to see and read the pass that's on, when centre backs split and the DM drops he has to see it decide whether the pass is out wide or through the centre or a chip further forward and execute the pass. Donnarumma has never done it and doesn't see ithe game like that. Even with Rodri Donnarumma will never have that vision and ability to execute. Trouble is his kicking long isn't great either.
That will always be a trade off and that's a decision for Pep,at the moment Pep seems happy to make that trade off.
 
Phil1 said:
I think his presense is a big plus factor. His reputation alone gives him that edge and opposition players will be well aware hes one of the best in the business.
I wish Trafford all the best and hope he stays but understand if he left.
Football at the very top is a ruthless business.
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We'd all love Trafford to stick around and work and learn with the best. But he has ambition and that's to be lauded too.
 
blueparrot said:
It isn't that, to play out from the back a keeper has to see and read the pass that's on, when centre backs split and the DM drops he has to see it decide whether the pass is out wide or through the centre or a chip further forward and execute the pass. Donnarumma has never done it and doesn't see ithe game like that. Even with Rodri Donnarumma will never have that vision and ability to execute. Trouble is his kicking long isn't great either.
That will always be a trade off and that's a decision for Pep,at the moment Pep seems happy to make that trade off.
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Well let's measure the trade off to date then. At home in Prem 6-0-0. At home in CL 2-0-0. Away 2-1-2 in Prem. Two losses are 0-1 at Villa and 1-2 at Newcastle. Away 1-1-0 in CL. So overall 11 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses. That measures up to any keeper in Europe to date, especially when factoring in the level of overall competition.

You're saying we'd be better than that as a team in transition and without Rodri if we'd have had Ederson in goal? Not having it. In fact, when considering some of the saves he's made, I'd feel confident in saying we'd be worse off. Trafford is a better ball playing keeper, apparently, yet we've lost 3 of 4 games in which he's started in the Prem/CL. (Spoiler alert: I like Trafford a lot and believe he will be a top tier keeper either here or someplace else).
 
Semper aggressus said:
The most important thing for any goalkeeper is to stop opposition shots going in our net. In my opinion Donnarumma is better at that than any other keeper in the world.

Anything else with keepers is a distant bonus, just like the only important stat for a striker is number of goals scored. Assists, possession, everything else are way down the list to number of goals, just as they are for saves with keepers.

We’re very lucky to have the best no1 and best no9 in the world right now. If the other nine could catch them up that’d be great!
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100%

Without Donnaruma this season we would be in a fight for top 4/5 and down in the trenches with United and Liverpool.
 
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