25th October The Battle of Agincourt..

[BlueHammer85]

It is also worth mentioning the French should never forget the bravery of their own men that day, consistently charging in the face of thousands of arrows over and over again, far from pushing it aside for the sake of upsetting probably no one they should instead find inspiration in their bravery

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

One of the most uplifting battlefields i have ever visited and iv been on a few, it has an aura about it even though its in a desolate place, the local French are the rudest French i have ever come across though...still you cant blame them if your relatives had been decimated by English peasants shooting off cloth yard long arrows from Longbows then finishing the job with Poleaxes, Swords and Daggers you would be a bit pissed off as well

One of the commentators on Eurosport cycling tells the tale of going into a shop and a French guy confronted him with "You killed all our young men!" He'd only gone into the shop for a baguette!

Once went to Agincourt early one morning when the mist was down. Eerie place. Ghost behind every tree!

 

[scotty123]

It is also worth mentioning the French should never forget the bravery of their own men that day, consistently charging in the face of thousands of arrows over and over again, far from pushing it aside for the sake of upsetting probably no one they should instead find inspiration in their bravery

French knights were known for their bravery many were connected to the Knights Templars so they had something about them, during Henrys campaign they became a bit too over confident underestimating the disease ridden English army and come the battle got their tactics completely wrong and got slaughtered....rather like the rags at the swamp in the 1-6

 

[mackenzie]

Juliet Barker wrote an exceptionally good history of Agincourt.

Describing the Army, she deals with a minstrel called Roland this way

The minstrel was known as Roland Le Fartere, whose trick was to make a leap, a whistle and a fart simultaneously

Can't think why I thought this would appeal to the Cellar

That makes sense as she did an excellent book on the Bronte sisters some years back. She is really good.

 

[scotty123]

Some of the archers were from Middleton. Hence the pub of the same name.

Yes they were archers from Middleton but the ones celebrated and have a window dedicated to them at a church in Middleton fought at the battle of Flodden Field when the English slaughtered the Scots in 1513

I'm not going to argue with blue underpants. - he knows what he's talking about.

He was there.

Wish i had have been, to me Agincourt, Crecy and Flodden were the pinnacle of English soldiery

 

[stony]

It is also worth mentioning the French should never forget the bravery of their own men that day, consistently charging in the face of thousands of arrows over and over again, far from pushing it aside for the sake of upsetting probably no one they should instead find inspiration in their bravery

French knights were known for their bravery many were connected to the Knights Templars so they had something about them, during Henrys campaign they became a bit too over confident underestimating the disease ridden English army and come the battle got their tactics completely wrong and got slaughtered....rather like the rags at the swamp in the 1-6

For all their bravery and superiority in numbers, they were still reluctant to attack. We set up a defensive position and waited for them. They didn't attack, so we upped sticks* and moved closer.


*Our troops put sharpened stakes in the ground to deter French Cavalry. When they moved position they pulled them out so they could redeploy them in the new position. I wonder if this is the origin of the phrase ?<br /><br />-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:58 pm --<br /><br />

Wish i had have been, to me Agincourt, Crecy and Flodden were the pinnacle of English soldiery

You can include Poitiers in that too.

 

[CITYBOY1000]

It is also worth mentioning the French should never forget the bravery of their own men that day, consistently charging in the face of thousands of arrows over and over again, far from pushing it aside for the sake of upsetting probably no one they should instead find inspiration in their bravery

French knights were known for their bravery many were connected to the Knights Templars so they had something about them, during Henrys campaign they became a bit too over confident underestimating the disease ridden English army and come the battle got their tactics completely wrong and got slaughtered....rather like the rags at the swamp in the 1-6

For all their bravery and superiority in numbers, they were still reluctant to attack. We set up a defensive position and waited for them. They didn't attack, so we upped sticks* and moved closer.


*Our troops put sharpened stakes in the ground to deter French Cavalry. When they moved position they pulled them out so they could redeploy them in the new position. I wonder if this is the origin of the phrase ?

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:58 pm --

Wish i had have been, to me Agincourt, Crecy and Flodden were the pinnacle of English soldiery

You can include Poitiers in that too.

Maybe, maybe not.

Great victories against the odds but really it was slaughtering from a distance and then getting in close to finish the kill.

Prefer to think of Stamford Bridge where we destroyed the Vikings, mano-a-mano, before force-marching back to Hastings to meet and nearly beat the Normans 3 weeks later.

Maybe also Trafalgar and don't forget The Heights of Abraham where the English under General Wolfe beat the French to lay claim to North America. Also the defeat of the Spanish Armada. Don't forget either Wellington at Waterloo.

All about opinions of course.

 

[Ducado]

French knights were known for their bravery many were connected to the Knights Templars so they had something about them, during Henrys campaign they became a bit too over confident underestimating the disease ridden English army and come the battle got their tactics completely wrong and got slaughtered....rather like the rags at the swamp in the 1-6

For all their bravery and superiority in numbers, they were still reluctant to attack. We set up a defensive position and waited for them. They didn't attack, so we upped sticks* and moved closer.


*Our troops put sharpened stakes in the ground to deter French Cavalry. When they moved position they pulled them out so they could redeploy them in the new position. I wonder if this is the origin of the phrase ?

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:58 pm --

Wish i had have been, to me Agincourt, Crecy and Flodden were the pinnacle of English soldiery

You can include Poitiers in that too.

Maybe, maybe not.

Great victories against the odds but really it was slaughtering from a distance and then getting in close to finish the kill.

Prefer to think of Stamford Bridge where we destroyed the Vikings, mano-a-mano, before force-marching back to Hastings to meet and nearly beat the Normans 3 weeks later.

Maybe also Trafalgar and don't forget The Heights of Abraham where the English under General Wolfe beat the French to lay claim to North America. Also the defeat of the Spanish Armada. Don't forget either Wellington at Waterloo.

All about opinions of course.

We have been in some scraps over the centuries

 

[stony]

French knights were known for their bravery many were connected to the Knights Templars so they had something about them, during Henrys campaign they became a bit too over confident underestimating the disease ridden English army and come the battle got their tactics completely wrong and got slaughtered....rather like the rags at the swamp in the 1-6

For all their bravery and superiority in numbers, they were still reluctant to attack. We set up a defensive position and waited for them. They didn't attack, so we upped sticks* and moved closer.


*Our troops put sharpened stakes in the ground to deter French Cavalry. When they moved position they pulled them out so they could redeploy them in the new position. I wonder if this is the origin of the phrase ?

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:58 pm --

Wish i had have been, to me Agincourt, Crecy and Flodden were the pinnacle of English soldiery

You can include Poitiers in that too.

Maybe, maybe not.

Great victories against the odds but really it was slaughtering from a distance and then getting in close to finish the kill.

Prefer to think of Stamford Bridge where we destroyed the Vikings, mano-a-mano, before force-marching back to Hastings to meet and nearly beat the Normans 3 weeks later.

Maybe also Trafalgar and don't forget The Heights of Abraham where the English under General Wolfe beat the French to lay claim to North America. Also the defeat of the Spanish Armada. Don't forget either Wellington at Waterloo.

All about opinions of course.

Waterloo was a close run thing. Although that was the battle that finally defeat Napoleon, other battles of the era deserve just as much of a mention. Salamanca, Talavera, Badajoz. Assaye and Seringapatam in India, were also great victories by Wellington.
Battle of Nile with Nelson is often overlooked too. That was almost on a par with Trafalgar.

 

[scotty123]

It is also worth mentioning the French should never forget the bravery of their own men that day, consistently charging in the face of thousands of arrows over and over again, far from pushing it aside for the sake of upsetting probably no one they should instead find inspiration in their bravery

French knights were known for their bravery many were connected to the Knights Templars so they had something about them, during Henrys campaign they became a bit too over confident underestimating the disease ridden English army and come the battle got their tactics completely wrong and got slaughtered....rather like the rags at the swamp in the 1-6

For all their bravery and superiority in numbers, they were still reluctant to attack. We set up a defensive position and waited for them. They didn't attack, so we upped sticks* and moved closer.


*Our troops put sharpened stakes in the ground to deter French Cavalry. When they moved position they pulled them out so they could redeploy them in the new position. I wonder if this is the origin of the phrase ?

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:58 pm --

Wish i had have been, to me Agincourt, Crecy and Flodden were the pinnacle of English soldiery

You can include Poitiers in that too.

Not really read up om Poitiers bit of a forgotten battle that, but is that where we were getting our arses kicked then some noble relation to Henry came to the fore and rallied the troops and turned the battle?
I am going to sit down tonight and read up on it