25th October The Battle of Agincourt..

[Ducado]

As an aside what a great thread this has been

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

As an aside what a great thread this has been

I'm surprised you've not tried to steer it back on topic, Ducy ;-)

 

[Lavinda Past]

As an aside what a great thread this has been

Have you heard the bside? It's rubbish

 

[The Flash]

Even back then, they were supporting anyone who was up against England.

They went home unhappy, as per usual ;-)

After predicting outright victory beforehand, no doubt ;-)

Before being sent packing at the group stage with no victories and shed load in their goals against column...

 

[scotty123]

They went home unhappy, as per usual ;-)

After predicting outright victory beforehand, no doubt ;-)

They haven't changed. I think a few of them were sporting Valderrama wigs.

And singing ''were on the march with James's army''

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

In the interests of balance, I think we should show Archie Gemmill scoring against the Orangemen, as it has probably caused more Scottish sprogs than anything else since Bells whisky.

 

[scotty123]

In the interests of balance, I think we should show Archie Gemmill scoring against the Orangemen, as it has probably caused more Scottish sprogs than anything else since Bells whisky.

Your right, i was on Rhodes for that match in a bar with a fair few Jocks in, when Wee Archie scored i thought they were going to get down and jiggy on the bars floor, it was a cracker though

 

[BimboBob]

There's a very good account of the battle in Cornwell's latest book about Thomas Hookton(a fictional archer)

The French knights were invulnerable to our arrows, and they armoured the front of their horses, which made them invulnerable too. After a few volleys were the arrows either snapped or just bounced off them. The archers quickly repositioned and attacked from the side, the horses had no armour on the sides and were quickly brought down.

Once again we were vastly outnumbered but not only prevailed, we also captured the French King, 17 Lords, 13 Counts, 5 Viscounts, over a hundred knights and 2000 men. They also has 2500 dead or wounded, Our casualties were estimated at a few hundred.

Rings a bell now, it was on that history of the 100yrs war a few months ago, but wern't the cavalary Italian mercenaries with some kind of impregnable armour, think they were Genoese or something

Not sure, I know we had Gascon infantry and the French had a contingent of Scots fighting for them.

The Genoese were crossbow men. Each came with a man to hold a big fuck off shield to hide behind when reloading.

 

[scotty123]

Rings a bell now, it was on that history of the 100yrs war a few months ago, but wern't the cavalary Italian mercenaries with some kind of impregnable armour, think they were Genoese or something

Not sure, I know we had Gascon infantry and the French had a contingent of Scots fighting for them.

The Genoese were crossbow men. Each came with a man to hold a big fuck off shield to hide behind when reloading.

Read up on it last night, the Genoese were indeed crossbow men, and a contlngent of Scots fought on the French side, the impregnable armour was Italian made and worn only by the French knights who could afford it
The Gascon knights and infantry who fought on the English side did a right flanking movement and charged into the French more or less turning the battle
The French king and his son were captured after his division was routed after a hard fight and ironically he surrendered to a French Noble Knight who had been expelled from France for murder and fought on the English side! at first he would not bow or give his gauntlet to the Frenchman and demanded to see The Black Prince but other French knights who were fighting for the English drew their swords on him and seeing the game was up surrendered, how the fuck did they know who was who and who they were fighting, all different nations fighting on different sides and loads of French exiles fighting for us?
I would have just bashed any fuckers brains in that came near me

 

[DavidSilvasLeftFoot]

French knights were known for their bravery many were connected to the Knights Templars so they had something about them, during Henrys campaign they became a bit too over confident underestimating the disease ridden English army and come the battle got their tactics completely wrong and got slaughtered....rather like the rags at the swamp in the 1-6

For all their bravery and superiority in numbers, they were still reluctant to attack. We set up a defensive position and waited for them. They didn't attack, so we upped sticks* and moved closer.


*Our troops put sharpened stakes in the ground to deter French Cavalry. When they moved position they pulled them out so they could redeploy them in the new position. I wonder if this is the origin of the phrase ?

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:58 pm --

Wish i had have been, to me Agincourt, Crecy and Flodden were the pinnacle of English soldiery

You can include Poitiers in that too.

Maybe, maybe not.

Great victories against the odds but really it was slaughtering from a distance and then getting in close to finish the kill.

Prefer to think of Stamford Bridge where we destroyed the Vikings, mano-a-mano, before force-marching back to Hastings to meet and nearly beat the Normans 3 weeks later.

Maybe also Trafalgar and don't forget The Heights of Abraham where the English under General Wolfe beat the French to lay claim to North America. Also the defeat of the Spanish Armada. Don't forget either Wellington at Waterloo.

All about opinions of course.

Don't forget the Battle of Queenston Heights, where we beat the cocky yankees. Canada would be a part f the USA if we had lost that battle. General Isaac Brock who led our troops was a military genius who with a smaller army tricked the Americans into surrendering a fort. He sacrificed his life at Queenton Heights leading his troops up a hill against the yankees and snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

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