if opponents press us less and less we do not need his passing skills that much. our build up is usually ends up in CB passing the ball on the opposite half. what increases tho is the need of him saving on target shots against us. nd thats an issue.
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31 | Ederson - 2025/26
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It's the obsession with control that contradicts our squad building. Defenders can't play a high line, midfielders won't make aggressive passes forward into space and the attackers have no space to run into or put a ball in. If we take more risks and let the game open up a bit more, then we can actually play to our players' strengths.if opponents press us less and less we do not need his passing skills that much. our build up is usually ends up in CB passing the ball on the opposite half. what increases tho is the need of him saving on target shots against us. nd thats an issue.
A better keeper saves it probably.No it wouldn't. No one is saving that. All 3 of our goals scored were more saveable than any of the goals we conceded.
A good, bigger keeper saves it definitely.
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Yeah that's fair.
I think with all the praise PSG got for their CL final performance, people forget that they a major part in them getting there was some brilliant goalkeeping performances in earlier knockout rounds. Very rare we get anything like that - although tbf Ederson had some much better performances in the last few games of the season the help us qualify for the CL this season.
We are getting to a stage where we aren't having any criticism that is constructive about him now, maybe it's the newer fans we have attracted that just think he's shit and we need a new one now.
We are shit we need to buy more players is IMHO raggish and a bit stupid ;-)
We are getting to a stage where we aren't having any criticism that is constructive about him now, maybe it's the newer fans we have attracted that just think he's shit and we need a new one now.
We are shit we need to buy more players is IMHO raggish and a bit stupid ;-)
Maybe. Short memories as well. Including myself in that!
However, I think now teams know what to expect from him, and how to defend against us as a team, he's less effective than he was. Which as a result has made his actual goalkeeping more important.
I also think that we all thought he was so good, so different in his first few years, that some have him up on a pedestal and are unwilling to consider that the game has moved on, tactics have moved on and other goalkeepers have improved. He's totally been a trailblazer for footballing keepers, but loads are decent at it now, so we shouldnt rule out looking at others.
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Maybe. Short memories as well. Including myself in that!
However, I think now teams know what to expect from him, and how to defend against us as a team, he's less effective than he was. Which as a result has made his actual goalkeeping more important.
I also think that we all thought he was so good, so different in his first few years, that some have him up on a pedestal and are unwilling to consider that the game has moved on, tactics have moved on and other goalkeepers have improved. He's totally been a trailblazer for footballing keepers, but loads are decent at it now, so we shouldnt rule out looking at others.
Ohh I agree with you we should find a new keeper without a doubt, I have said as much on here. My point really was and is that there are a growing number of City fans who want a player gone as soon as form dips.
Maybe that's the price of success?
Ohh I agree with you we should find a new keeper without a doubt, I have said as much on here. My point really was and is that there are a growing number of City fans who want a player gone as soon as form dips.
Maybe that's the price of success?
True enough. We want success and we want it now! Little thought about injuries players may be playing with, loss of confidence, or external factors. There's always a shinier newer toy out there!
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The first goal Eddie should have held the cross instead of pushing it into danger, or at worst send it back the way it came, the way he pushed it it could have gone anywhere, including on off a city defender
Second, whilst I don't put him at fault at no point did I think it likely he would save it
Third was similar to a number of goals he's conceded over the years, including the finish of the first, he doesn't even try to stop it and it was eminently saveable
Fourth, as the first tbh, perhaps not holdable but dont push it straight back out, thats schoolboy stuff
For the last few years (up to 2 seasons ago) Eddies footwork and range of passing made him indispensable to the way we play. It hasn't been the case now for 2 seasons (yes I know we won the league the first of those 2, we were fortunate). We desperately need a keeper who knows how to keep goal rather than a footballer who occasionally manages to save a shot
Second, whilst I don't put him at fault at no point did I think it likely he would save it
Third was similar to a number of goals he's conceded over the years, including the finish of the first, he doesn't even try to stop it and it was eminently saveable
Fourth, as the first tbh, perhaps not holdable but dont push it straight back out, thats schoolboy stuff
For the last few years (up to 2 seasons ago) Eddies footwork and range of passing made him indispensable to the way we play. It hasn't been the case now for 2 seasons (yes I know we won the league the first of those 2, we were fortunate). We desperately need a keeper who knows how to keep goal rather than a footballer who occasionally manages to save a shot
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People talk a lot about "one shot one goal," which to me points to the bigger problem we have in that the quality of chance we concede to the opposition is really, really high.
Al-Hilal’s 3.16 xG was the third-highest non-penalty xG given up by Man City on record under Pep Guardiola, with only Real Madrid’s 3.30 in February 2025 higher across the last five years.
All 17 of their shots came from inside the Man City penalty box, too. In only one previous competitive match under Guardiola had City allowed their opponents at least 17 shots inside their box – that came in January against PSG (20) in their 4-2 capitulation in the Champions League in Paris.
That is a much bigger systemic issue than Ederson's save percentage. You won't win many games of football giving up that many scoring opportunities
Al-Hilal’s 3.16 xG was the third-highest non-penalty xG given up by Man City on record under Pep Guardiola, with only Real Madrid’s 3.30 in February 2025 higher across the last five years.
All 17 of their shots came from inside the Man City penalty box, too. In only one previous competitive match under Guardiola had City allowed their opponents at least 17 shots inside their box – that came in January against PSG (20) in their 4-2 capitulation in the Champions League in Paris.
That is a much bigger systemic issue than Ederson's save percentage. You won't win many games of football giving up that many scoring opportunities
The percentage of clear and easy chances we concede has been much higher the last two seasons than any season with Ederson at the back. We lived with him not being the best shot stopper because we had a very strong defense and good midfield coverage. Neither of those things are in the team now so I don't get how people are all of a sudden concerned with Ederson's shot stopping.People talk a lot about "one shot one goal," which to me points to the bigger problem we have in that the quality of chance we concede to the opposition is really, really high.
Al-Hilal’s 3.16 xG was the third-highest non-penalty xG given up by Man City on record under Pep Guardiola, with only Real Madrid’s 3.30 in February 2025 higher across the last five years.
All 17 of their shots came from inside the Man City penalty box, too. In only one previous competitive match under Guardiola had City allowed their opponents at least 17 shots inside their box – that came in January against PSG (20) in their 4-2 capitulation in the Champions League in Paris.
That is a much bigger systemic issue than Ederson's save percentage. You won't win many games of football giving up that many scoring opportunities
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At some point all the car needs to do is drive. As an outright shot stopper he's one of the worst in the league. He has certainly had moments but we've lost plenty of fixtures simply because the opposition goalkeeper played out of his skin and Eddie let the only shot he faced in. no doubt the most impactful keeper we've ever had
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Abysmal save? What are you talking about? It was a great save and he's pushed it wide, it's nothing but misfortune their player happens to be steaming in at the back post to bundle it in.That was an abysmal save straight to an attacker. "strong header" which he didn't even bother diving for because his positioning was so poor. A 1v1 which he did poorly on due to bad positioning and "a bunch of richochets" instigated by him parrying a simple cross straight at his defender.
Those were the only 4 actions he was called upon and he failed every single one.
Did I do it right?
Even in the commentary you hear "what a save" before it ends up bundled in and there was an ex premier league goalkeeper on punditry duty in shay Given who also said it was a great save. This comment just says to me you're not critiquing the performance at all and you're just after a target to shit on. Nobody who watches football can say that was an abysmal save with any genuine intent.
For the corner, if his positioning was poor as suggested, please tell us where he should have been instead. He's exactly where he should be.
A 1v1 he did poorly on because of bad positioning again? I repeat my last question for that, you tell me where he should have been because I see nothing wrong with that either.
The first goal I can accept people still in the old school mindset being critical of his parry and want him to hold it, no issue with that view but you'll find every single goalkeeper on the planet parrying those more often than not now. that's the new norm as the balls are much more susceptible to spilling so the less risky option is to parry.
No, you didnt do it right.
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Hes a front foot keeper. Never has and never will be an elite shot stopper. Unless we get the press working properly and stop playing the oldies he will come in for criticism as hes not a guy to pull off saves like donarumma.
Fair points.The percentage of clear and easy chances we concede has been much higher the last two seasons than any season with Ederson at the back. We lived with him not being the best shot stopper because we had a very strong defense and good midfield coverage. Neither of those things are in the team now so I don't get how people are all of a sudden concerned with Ederson's shot stopping.
Often when we attack it's about 8 of us v 10 of them. When we defend, it's more 4 v 4.
When the area is packed it's hard to create a clear chance - easier for the opposition when they break on us with more space.
We could definitely do with a tweak to our general approach.
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Because we no longer have the defence to allow the luxury of a keeper whose shot stopping ability is average at best. It wasn't a problem before, it is nowso I don't get how people are all of a sudden concerned with Ederson's shot stopping.
Easier to fix the defense by playing better options than finding a new first choice keeper.Because we no longer have the defence to allow the luxury of a keeper whose shot stopping ability is average at best. It wasn't a problem before, it is now
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I wonder what the stats are for assists versus goals that should be saved.
flook
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Given the quality of the defenders we have, I'd disagree with that. It might however be easier to change the tactics which have left us so open at the back for the last couple of yearsEasier to fix the defense by playing better options than finding a new first choice keeper.
Changing tactics is the easiest and most obvious thing, but it’s never going to happen.Given the quality of the defenders we have, I'd disagree with that. It might however be easier to change the tactics which have left us so open at the back for the last couple of years