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allyboy

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why doesn't pelligrini ditch the 442

reasons
1. negredo & dzeko woeful, Jovetic injured
2. Bringing in another midfielder (maybe Milner) frees up Yaya to start in an advanced position.
3. With Ferna and another hardworking midfielder we can cope with the work rate of other teams.

I really wish he goes 451 for the next few games and sees the outcome.
 
allyboy said:
why doesn't pelligrini ditch the 442

reasons
1. negredo & dzeko woeful, Jovetic injured
2. Bringing in another midfielder (maybe Milner) frees up Yaya to start in an advanced position.
3. With Ferna and another hardworking midfielder we can cope with the work rate of other teams.

I really wish he goes 451 for the next few games and sees the outcome.
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I would tend to agree at the moment simply because negredo has gone right off the boil- let him come off the bench and make an impact - he' ll get his belief back that way.
 
It's pretty clear that we are at our best when Nasri and Silva are both on the pitch, which is a lot easier with a 5 man midfield. I think our 4222 has been a bit found out of late
 
I do too, certainly away from home, but he won't. He keeps banging on about the players will trust me more and believe in my style of playing if we win the league and thats playing 442. What happens if we dont win league then?

Some say its not 442 blah blah but it is, just not a standard one with wingers if Navas not playing. The 4 tough away games we have left he should play Milner, Silva and Nasri behind Aguero, Ferna and Yaya centre mid. You then have the option of Garcia, Navas and a Dzeko/Negrado coming on to change things. Did it at Chelsea and we should have won so there is hope. That said our excellent performance away recently at Spurs was with Dzeko supporting Aguero.
 
I like the idea of the xmas tree formation, Milner & Dino have both got good energy, both can shoot from distance (which we should be doing a lot more than we do) & they are both good at covering, that should allow Yaya to play his stronger side of the game. The movement we would have up top ( Aguero,Nasri & Silva) should fuck up most defences. I know earlier on in the season we were using Negredo up top, but it was the movement of the m/fielders and the strikers that was creating all the chances, we were dragging teams all over the place.
When Milner came on on Sunday, in a 10 min period he was involved in almost everything, he was everywhere to start off, centre, left then when he ended up on the right and stayed there we quietened down again.
4-5-1 for me.




Football, a game of 2 half's and where teams aims to score more goals than the other. Its a funny ol game.
 
It worries me that pellers doesnt see it this way. 451 can be just as devastating as 442 with yaya pushed forward. Why the fuck doesnt he do it?, plus you play the players in form.
Thats not dzeko and negredo at the mo.

Salty. said:
I like the idea of the xmas tree formation, Milner & Dino have both got good energy, both can shoot from distance (which we should be doing a lot more than we do) & they are both good at covering, that should allow Yaya to play his stronger side of the game. The movement we would have up top ( Aguero,Nasri & Silva) should fuck up most defences. I know earlier on in the season we were using Negredo up top, but it was the movement of the m/fielders and the strikers that was creating all the chances, we were dragging teams all over the place.
When Milner came on on Sunday, in a 10 min period he was involved in almost everything, he was everywhere to start off, centre, left then when he ended up on the right and stayed there we quietened down again.
4-5-1 for me.




Football, a game of 2 half's and where teams aims to score more goals than the other. Its a funny ol game.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with playing two up top - we've seen countless times this season how it can be quite devastating, and you could easily argue that most of our best football over the past three seasons has come when we've played that way. But it does put a strain on our squad, for the simple reason that there's only Yaya and Fernandinho who are capable of playing in a two-man midfield. Hence they get overplayed, while our back-up midfielders (Garcia and especially Milner and Rodwell) barely get on the pitch. And it's a hard one to solve, because there's actually not much more than a handful of players anywhere that could play in a two-man midfield the way Pellegrini wants us to play - and they are all world-class. So it's unlikely we'll ever have the luxury of being able to rotate there effectively, because no-one of that calibre will come and be a back-up player.

It does surprise me a bit - especially given the Barcelona connection - that we haven't looked to play a 4-3-3, and I'd love to see us try it. Ideally - assuming we can ever get Jovetic properly fit:

----------Fernandinho----------
-------Yaya-----------Nasri-----
----Silva---------------------Jovetic
--------------Aguero----------

And I think that Garcia, Milner and Rodwell could all plug into that system far more easily and effectively than in to a 4-2-2-2, where their limitations are too easily exposed. Could perhaps help take the burden of Fernandinho and Yaya a bit and allow us to actually use the full squad.
 
allyboy said:
why doesn't pelligrini ditch the 442

reasons
1. negredo & dzeko woeful, Jovetic injured
2. Bringing in another midfielder (maybe Milner) frees up Yaya to start in an advanced position.
3. With Ferna and another hardworking midfielder we can cope with the work rate of other teams.

I really wish he goes 451 for the next few games and sees the outcome.
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I think the first point is reason enough to mix things up and go 4-5-1. Against barcelona I'd be astounded to see anything different, not even taking the point you made there into account
 
Started a thread a few days ago saying we should play a 4231 which to some may look like a 451. Sergio up top with Silva, Nasri and Yaya behind.
 
If Spain can be both successful and attractive with 4-6-0, then 4-5-1 should be no problem. The only set part of this system is a back four which should be the rock the team is built on, and a focal point striker up top. The midfield five will be the interesting part and it can be as offensive or defensive as circumstances dictate in view of the vast difference in the standard of opponent we have to face. Norwich at home or Chelsea away will set different problems, and it would be in our interests to juggle the midfield accordingly, but whatever tack is taken with each game, the back four should always be basically the same with only minor changes. Wholesale changes at the back as in the Wigan game is just asking for trouble, and so it proved in that game.
 
It's not about systems. Some on here are so full of 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or whatever.
4-5-1 with two attacking wide midfielders is 4-3-3. Need I go on?

As for Pellegrini, 4-4-2 in all variations this system can give. Easy, predictable, move on.
 
Starting to get sick of the constant 4-4-2. When your strikers are having an off day it leaves Yaya and Ferna even more exposed than they normally are. The balance in the squad isn't good either. Too many strikers. Sell Dzeko and bring in another attacking midfielder.
 
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