#47 | Phil Foden - 2021/22 Performances

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Lauz9888 said:
I'm not linking their actions. I'm linking the couldn't-care-less attitudes of some commenters and acknowledging how being permissive about one thing can make it harder to spot other more serious problems.

Football has a sex problem. I guess it's what happens when you take young boys, put them in male-only environments for their whole adolescence, then give them more money than they know what to do with and a whole bunch of people to hero-worship them and give them whatever they want.

When Mendy was asking a modelling agency to provide him with big bum Latinas, it was a meme. When he was arrested for rape, it was a shock. We laugh and joke and "boys will be boys" it right up until the point a crime is committed, when maybe we'd be better off saying "hey, it's not okay to order a sexual partner like you might order a pizza".

All I'm saying is that it might be better for everyone if we held our players to a certain standard - not expecting them to be perfect or never make mistakes, not expecting their personal lives to never go through turmoil, not necessarily believing every tabloid rumour, but expecting them to demonstrate a basic level of common sense, respect for their fellow human beings, and understanding of the position of power their fame and wealth put them in over other people.

I'm not accusing Phil or Jack or any other player of anything like what Mendy is accused of. I'm not saying that one action necessarily leads to another. All I'm saying is that a culture that says nothing about men seeing women as a commodity and sex as a service is a culture in which sexual abusers may find it easy to hide in plain sight.

I fear I'm getting a little off-topic. My comment was in response to what people were saying about various speculation about them being the name/s in the dominatrix story, or being out on the pull when they both have partners at home.

As for your second point, I am in this country. So I'm working from home and I'm wearing a mask when I go shopping, and although I know socialising is allowed it's hardly risk-free, and as others have said, the club may well have its own rules in place to keep the players and staff safe, to reduce the likelihood of matches being cancelled, and to manage the public image of players who are often easy targets for the press in terms of accusations of setting bad examples.
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You want to hold players to a standard without any of the required information. You want to write long messages about how appalling it is that players have done something without any evidence or proof that they've done it other than gossip and innuendo.

In one thread you're posting pictures from Grealish's girlfriend's instagram about how he's in a bad place over fake stories, and in another you're writing really long posts about how awful it would be if those same stories are true.

There seems to be a hypocrisy there, to me.

I'm not going to spend my time working myself into a righteous fury about Phil Foden sleeping with some Icelandic girl because I don't know anything about his life, I don't know what his relationship is like, or if it still exists.

Unless a player is actually found to be doing something wrong, I'm not going to get worked up over the Sun rumour mill, because I might find myself in the position of getting worked up about a dominatrix for hours only to find out it was just a going to a club.

Does football have a sex problem? Life has a violence against women problem and football mirrors that, I don't think professional football is an area of life where it's particularly worse than average.

The Big Bum Latina's story came out after he'd already been arrested, so I wasn't laughing about it, and I don't remember many others finding it funny either.
 
domalino said:
You want to hold players to a standard without any of the required information. You want to write long messages about how appalling it is that players have done something without any evidence or proof that they've done it other than gossip and innuendo.

In one thread you're posting pictures from Grealish's girlfriend's instagram about how he's in a bad place over fake stories, and in another you're writing really long posts about how awful it would be if those same stories are true.

There seems to be a hypocrisy there, to me.

I'm not going to spend my time working myself into a righteous fury about Phil Foden sleeping with some Icelandic girl because I don't know anything about his life, I don't know what his relationship is like, or if it still exists.

Unless a player is actually found to be doing something wrong, I'm not going to get worked up over the Sun rumour mill, because I might find myself in the position of getting worked up about a dominatrix for hours only to find out it was just a going to a club.

Does football have a sex problem? Life has a violence against women problem and football mirrors that, I don't think professional football is an area of life where it's particularly worse than average.

The Big Bum Latina's story came out after he'd already been arrested, so I wasn't laughing about it, and I don't remember many others finding it funny either.
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I don't think there's a hypocrisy about saying that tabloid rumours can be harmful and we shouldn't necessarily believe them, especially if the people who are being framed as victims are saying they're untrue, but that if rumours of players' sexual indiscretions are true we shouldn't be laughing them off or sweeping them under the carpet or putting up with the suggestion that it's normal or acceptable behaviour.

I'm neither worked up nor in a fury. I think players are entitled to their private lives, but have to be realistic and understand that they're in the public eye and what they want to be private may not necessarily be so.

Ultimately I'm choosing to trust Pep on this one and trusting that the punishment is proportionate to whatever they've done. I'm a little disappointed that two players I love to see on the pitch have done something stupid in their personal lives that's resulted in Pep not wanting to play them, not for fitness or tactical reasons but because he's unhappy with their behaviour. It seems needless and avoidable.

I'll leave it there and not trouble you with any more really long posts.
 
Maybe until we know exactly what happened, we shouldn't speculate.

Just my opinion of course, I'd rather not waste energy on very little information.
 
Pep knows the Christmas period is always crucial with so many games, if he feels some players aren't as committed as they should be he will remind them of their duties.
 
sd33 said:
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From memory Foden doesn't really drink, or he didn't a few years ago even when he was on the open top bus parade, but if this is the story then Grealish and Foden should know better, Pep will have managed this a million times before, and it'll be all good by Boxing Day.
 
Boys will be boys.

As an aside though I fucking love it when Pep refers to anyone in the squad as ‘these guys’.
 
Both better change or Pep will fuck them off without hesitation. He is as stubborn of a person as they come.
 
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