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[law74]

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What appears to be a matter of debate is that many people think that there are some who are capable of doing a days work, I really can't see what the problem is

This is something i would not argue against.

I am capable of doing a days work. But the problem is i cannot tell you which day that will be. Ergo what employer ever would ever say come in when you can and i will pay you regardless. Real world it dosent happen pal.

Tomoorow i could wake up and feel magnificent full of energy and drive or i could wake up having pissed and soiled myself with not enough energy to get out of bed.

Extremes i know and its rarely either but i personally dont know how i will feel in the morning and i have worked and know what its like to be up at 6am and go and graft for a day, but then i could, now i have no idea where i will be at.

It must be incredibly frustrating, and must undermine your confidence being in your position, I admire your spirit and humour. I'm not sure I would be as mentally strong.

You are caught up in the whole benefits debate whether you like it or not and I am sure it felt demeaning to have to be assessed but as the figures have shown, there are a lot of folk who have claimed that have decided not to and removing them must be a good thing as they are taking up resources that can be used to better effect. Maybe it is a price worth paying?

Sadly very many of those claiming IB are in a similar position, one day they may be fine, the next four not, and if the day of their ATOS assessment is one of their "good days" then the money they require to try and lead as normal a life as possible may well be taken away from them, if it is one of their worst days, then they might not be able to attend the assessment, and their welfare money will be stopped, forcing them to try and claim JSA, which as they are not fit for work, then they will not be eligible.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

This is something i would not argue against.

I am capable of doing a days work. But the problem is i cannot tell you which day that will be. Ergo what employer ever would ever say come in when you can and i will pay you regardless. Real world it dosent happen pal.

Tomoorow i could wake up and feel magnificent full of energy and drive or i could wake up having pissed and soiled myself with not enough energy to get out of bed.

Extremes i know and its rarely either but i personally dont know how i will feel in the morning and i have worked and know what its like to be up at 6am and go and graft for a day, but then i could, now i have no idea where i will be at.

It must be incredibly frustrating, and must undermine your confidence being in your position, I admire your spirit and humour. I'm not sure I would be as mentally strong.

You are caught up in the whole benefits debate whether you like it or not and I am sure it felt demeaning to have to be assessed but as the figures have shown, there are a lot of folk who have claimed that have decided not to and removing them must be a good thing as they are taking up resources that can be used to better effect. Maybe it is a price worth paying?

Sadly very many of those claiming IB are in a similar position, one day they may be fine, the next four not, and if the day of their ATOS assessment is one of their "good days" then the money they require to try and lead as normal a life as possible may well be taken away from them, if it is one of their worst days, then they might not be able to attend the assessment, and their welfare money will be stopped, forcing them to try and claim JSA, which as they are not fit for work, then they will not be eligible.

Of course, assuming that no notice is taken of records etc

 

[W12]

Ask Rasc if he thinks his condition is funny?

It always ruins a good debate when people start playing the emotive card, Rascal is more than capable in sticking up for himself.

And like I have said more than once I can't find a single post in this thread that says that people who are genuinely unable to work through ill health or disability should not get the full amount they are entitled to.

What appears to be a matter of debate is that many people think that there are some who are capable of doing a days work, I really can't see what the problem is

If I want to defend the man I will.

W12 seems like he couldn't give a flying fuck unless of course like many on here, he is playing a right wing nut job role for the sake of it?

I will wager that those who can work want too but it has to be meaningful work and it has to provide a living wage whilst at the same time catering and allowing for that persons needs and disabilities.

You can tell me again that there is plenty of work out there for the disabled and once again I will say bollox, there isn't.

The system to get people off the benefit and into work is just not fit for purpose. its been farmed out to a private company, incentivised to get people off benefits and not giving an actual fuck as to whether in doing so, they are doing the right thing. Its all about turning a profit, not about the person involved. So many horror stories already of people clearly unfit to work having benefits withdrawn and fuck all happens as they hide behind the "we dont discuss individual cases" crap.

£3 Billion at the latest count the cost to taxpayers for services rendered by ATOS.....now thats fucking criminal!

I only asked a question. Never mentioned anything about people not getting benefits that they deserve.

Anyway, it seems the nasty old Labour Party started it all off. I don't remember too many anti government threads back then.

In 2009, the Labour government was already taking steps to focus benefits on those most in need of it. As a result of those changes, almost 900,000 opted not to go through the assessment process to remain on disability benefits.



Many of the 900,000 might have been genuine but were intimidated by the prospect – but those who are still on DLA, ESA etc are those who did choose to go through the tests, because their need was genuine and they couldn’t get by without that support.

 

[Rascal]

Anyway, it seems the nasty old Labour Party started it all off. I don't remember too many anti government threads back then.
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You were not a member back then.


So how do you lnow?

 

[Bill]

People moan about this government but they're trying to sort the mess this country has been in because of the last one.

Moaning about the strictness of the tests is a bit daft. What do you want the tests to be, soft? Where's that gonna get us?

If you are genuinely in need then you'll get your benefit. If not then, get a fucking job or try!

In a nutshell.

You sir have a heart of pure stone.I would swear at you but as moderator you would just tell me off!!

no I wouldn't. but why swear. I never do in replying to a poster I don't agree with.

ps. do you nag?

 

[kaz7]

In a nutshell.

You sir have a heart of pure stone.I would swear at you but as moderator you would just tell me off!!

no I wouldn't. but why swear. I never do in replying to a poster I don't agree with.

ps. do you nag?

If it was an olympic sport i would be world champion

 

[W12]

Anyway, it seems the nasty old Labour Party started it all off. I don't remember too many anti government threads back then.
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You were not a member back then.


So how do you lnow?

I will let you into a secret in case you didn't know. You don't have to be a member to read the posts on bluemoon. In fact you can even support another football team, live in another country or even god forbid, not vote for the Labour Party.

 

[Ducado]

Anyway, it seems the nasty old Labour Party started it all off. I don't remember too many anti government threads back then.
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You were not a member back then.


So how do you lnow?

I have a feeling we may have another resurrection here!

 

[law74]

Anyway, it seems the nasty old Labour Party started it all off. I don't remember too many anti government threads back then.
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You were not a member back then.


So how do you lnow?

I seem to recall being in quite a few debates even then, though of course not as many as even nu-liebour didnt enforce changes that would have a potentially devastating effect on peoples lives as the current condem abomination.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

You sir have a heart of pure stone.I would swear at you but as moderator you would just tell me off!!

no I wouldn't. but why swear. I never do in replying to a poster I don't agree with.

ps. do you nag?

If it was an olympic sport i would be world champion

Mrs Rep? is that you? :-0