9/11 documentary now

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not shooting at you gordon ;0), just the implication that there was an ounce of truth in what your cushion designer mate came out with.

He's more of a 'hard finishes' sort of guy :-)

 

[manctheknife]

Yes I do, strange that a senior structural engineer like your self does not ;0(

Im an Architect matey boy...

 

[dronefromsector7G]

He's more of a 'hard finishes' sort of guy :-)

I've heard that nice fluffy cushions really help in that area.

 

[johnmc]

Simply not true, there were close to 4000 shear studs tying the beams directly to the floor and each other, nor does it increase the weight on the structure to a point of complete collapse, your theory would have a time delay as each floor impacts and assume that of all eighty support columns not one managed to provide even a token resistance of a weight it was designed to carry by a factor of three ( Each beam was rated at a third of the weight on its placement), so the free fall seen in the footage makes a nonsense of that one.

What's your line of work pal?

 

[manctheknife]

Simply not true, there were close to 4000 shear studs tying the beams directly to the floor and each other, nor does it increase the weight on the structure to a point of complete collapse, your theory would have a time delay as each floor impacts and assume that of all eighty support columns not one managed to provide even a token resistance of a weight it was designed to carry by a factor of three ( Each beam was rated at a third of the weight on its placement), so the free fall seen in the footage makes a nonsense of that one.

Interesting points. I have always assumed, wrongly perhaps that shear studs offer very little support to vertical loads, but are there to resist horizontal movement.
The time delay floor to floor was only until the critical load was reached, after that it went down at a gravitational lick...
Now, what is your actual theory of how it collapsed, given that mine is nonsense, and bearing in mind of course that it did, actually collapse.

 

[worsleyweb]

Interesting points. I have always assumed, wrongly perhaps that shear studs offer very little support to vertical loads, but are there to resist horizontal movement.
The time delay floor to floor was only until the critical load was reached, after that it went down at a gravitational lick...
Now, what is your actual theory of how it collapsed, given that mine is nonsense, and bearing in mind of course that it did, actually collapse.

he is going to day the Americans bombed it! I am sure he is.

 

[west didsblue]

That my friend is pure shite, no steel structured building EVER has fully collapsed due to a fire, nor is it "Expected" in any other circumstance short of a controlled demolition.

This was typical of the main stream media seeming to address the many inconsistencies but parading a few barmpots to discredit the argument, try watching "Incontrovertible -by Tony Rookel" on you-tube, this features a range of professionals who know what the f*ck they are talking about by virtue of their job, experience, and just plain old physics, with not a foil hat wearer in sight.

How many steel structured buildings have had a fully fuelled Boeing 767 crash into them?

 

[worsleyweb]

How many steel structured buildings have had a fully fuelled Boeing 767 crash into them?

i know of at least 3.

 

[aguero93:20]

How many steel structured buildings have had a fully fuelled Boeing 767 crash into them?

Made this point earlier in the thread about the time it took them to fall, we hardly have a valid data model for predictions of what effect the combined impact and heat would cause.

 

[west didsblue]

i know of at least 3.

I know of two. What's the third?