9/11 documentary now

[mrtwiceaseason]

For what its worth watched it live on sky news and they reported a plane had been shot down.that changed in later reports.

 

[purplenose]

Like this?

or this?

or this?

Much like that, but those images prove nothing to be fair. My own personal doubt about this aircraft is how it was brought down, it is all a bit too Hollywood that the one bound for the Whitehouse was brought down by the heroic passengers. I do wonder if it was helped on its way in some way. Just my own views.

 

[Jim Tolmie's Underpants]

Yes, a small part of the outer structure fell at freefall speed

You said freefall is "nonsense". Are you now going to retract this claim?

But the "truthers" would have us believe the entire building fell at that rate, which simply didn't happen.

That's a complete misrepresentation. The bottom of the building collapsed first so it's impossible for the whole of it to collapse at freefall.

And there is nothing suspicious about a section of the outer wall falling at that speed

Utter nonsense. The entire upper section of the building collapsed at freefall speed as can clearly be seen in videos:

This means it was falling through itself for over 100 feet with zero resistance, an impossibility in any natural scenario. In the final draft for public comment (August 2008) NIST denied that WTC7 fell at freefall. In the final report in Nov 2008 they reversed themselves and admitted freefall, but denied its obvious significance.

So which one is it now - a relatively small debris field or within its own footprint?

It fell mostly within its own footprint, which a small debris field clearly suggests.

 

[west didsblue]

Much like that, but those images prove nothing to be fair. My own personal doubt about this aircraft is how it was brought down, it is all a bit too Hollywood that the one bound for the Whitehouse was brought down by the heroic passengers. I do wonder if it was helped on its way in some way. Just my own views.

No it doesn't prove anything but if it were anything other than the published account then the FAA, NTSB and Pennsylvania police would have needed to be in on it as well as the CIA, FBI, USAF, NIST, NYPD, FDNY, Washington DC police and numerous private contractors who helped in the various investigations. On top of that, various expert communities that peer reviewed the reports would also have had to be duped. Starts to get a bit silly doesn't it.

 

[inchy14]

No it doesn't prove anything but if it were anything other than the published account then the FAA, NTSB and Pennsylvania police would have needed to be in on it as well as the CIA, FBI, USAF, NIST, NYPD, FDNY, Washington DC police and numerous private contractors who helped in the various investigations. On top of that, various expert communities that peer reviewed the reports would also have had to be duped. Starts to get a bit silly doesn't it.

But like hillsborough you mean?

 

[west didsblue]

But like hillsborough you mean?

Not really. Hillsborough was SYP and some government ministers and that was it.

 

[inchy14]

Not really. Hillsborough was SYP and some government ministers and that was it.

Just some?

From the top of the establishment i'd say, including Thatcher probably. Plus the majority of the press and media who we're all complicit in the reporting of what had actually happened for a very long time.

My original comment was slightly tongue in cheek but lets be honest here, if they want things covering up they'll go ahead and do it.. Dr Kelly for example.

 

[west didsblue]

Just some?

From the top of the establishment i'd say, including Thatcher probably. Plus the majority of the press and media who we're all complicit in the reporting of what had actually happened for a very long time.

My original comment was slightly tongue in cheek but lets be honest here, if they want things covering up they'll go ahead and do it.. Dr Kelly for example.

Any comparison with conspiracies related to Hillsborough are way off the mark.
Hillsborough was an attempted cover up by SYP with collusion from the football hating government. It's never been suggested that the police or government actually planned for it to happen. The Taylor report in 1990 actually blamed the police so it wasn't a very good cover up. It was outrageous that the families had to wait a further 25 years for justice but everyone knew what had happened within a year of the event.

I agree that the circumstances surrounding Dr David Kelly's death have never properly been explained and that is one example where a conspiracy is a distinct possibility and I wouldn't argue with anyone who thought it was.

The scale of any conspiracy or cover up for 9/11 would have to be so big and complex that it would be impossible to achieve and maintain secrecy for 15 years. Almost without exception, the people talking about conspiracies have had nothing to do with the various investigations and are basing their theories on their own interpretation of what they've seen on TV and read from witness statements, and in most cases are looking for evidence to support their crackpot theories and ignoring clear facts that would debunk their preconceived ideas.

 

[2sheikhs]

When one possible but improbable event takes place, especially an unprecedented event, we choose to accept it or question it.
The whole thing is a collection of events that can be explained with "well that's what happened". Unlikely but not impossible.
Winning the lottery isn't impossible.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

The scale of any conspiracy or cover up for 9/11 would have to be so big and complex that it would be impossible to achieve and maintain secrecy for 15 years.

It wouldn't be possible to cover up at all. We're talking about four plane crashes, supposed explosives planted, missiles at the pentagon, hundreds of people being involved in an attack against their own country. When you put it like that, you can't help but laugh at the conspiracy theorists.